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Considering the past few posts are on Trump's sexual proclivities, it's ironic that the Cohen documents were unsealed this morning.

They prove unequivocally that Trump lied about not knowing that Cohen was paying off Stormy Daniels. It also seems to indicate that Hope Hicks lied to Congress. Trump knew about Cohen's payment to Daniels, and was consulted along each step of the payoff process. He also had knowledge of, and consented to, his company reimbursing Cohen for his illegal campaign contribution. Hard to see how Trump doesn't get indicted if he's not President.

But, I think most honest people knew all of the above. What's more interesting is the description of Cohen using misleading financial statements and documentation to obtain loans, refinance loans, and to negotiate loan restructures. His method of operation is uncannily similar to accusations lenders have made against Trump in court documents, and also almost indistinguishable from statements former Trump execs, vendors, and lenders have made about how Trump operates.

Why has Trump always been able to get away with it while Cohen could not? Seems to indicate Trump is a classic example of either being "too big to fail" or the beneficiary an immense amount of luck. If you're not already aware of it, do some quick research on Trump, bonds, and the New Jersey Casino Control Commission and junk bonds. Trump presented them with fabricated financial statements and repeatedly lied to them, yet by the time they uncovered his falsehoods, they were too embarrassed at being conned, and so desperate for gaming jobs in New Jersey, that they let him get away with it minus a few fines.

Trump's shady business practices in Atlantic City

Thankfully, regulators in Nevada and Pennsylvania saw through Trump's serial fabrications, and refused to grant him a gaming/casino license.

Somehow, though, Trump's consistent history of lying, fabricating, violating the law, and constantly having to be bailed out by the banks (or his father) is seen as a positive by his supporters. It's baffling. Do they not understand how many people could be extremely wealthy if they were willing to violate the law and lacked ethics like Trump does? That's what is so spectacularly illogical. Even though he constantly cheated, lied, violated the law, and operated unethically, most of Trump's major businesses failed NUMEROUS times because he was such a poor businessman. While it's true that a number of wealthy people have engaged in unethical or illegal behavior like Trump, that number pales in comparison to those that earned their fortune honestly and ethically.

I've mentioned this analogy before, but what Matt calls "Trump Derangement Syndrome" I call 419 scam disbelief syndrome. For the uninitiated, 419 scams are your typical "I'm a Nigerian prince/official with a huge fortune I'd like to share with you, but first I need you to send me $$$" scams. I've always been absolutely gobsmacked that so many people have willingly believed in these scams and sent billions of their retirement or savings abroad -- never to be seen again.

Anytime I read a story about such a scam/con I'm left in utter disbelief that anyone found such a preposterous scam to be credible. That's how I feel about Trump. I don't hate the guy. I'm just gobsmacked, and left in utter disbelief that people can't see through his con. I'm left in utter disbelief that they don't notice his constant lies and fabrications. Every single day, I remain in a state of utter disbelief that do many people are willingly allowing themselves to be conned by a serial fabricator and con-artist.

Let me go on record now, I'm not going to be saddened if Trump wins re-election. If the American people are foolish enough to elect Trump again, then they deserve to get what they wanted good and hard. Sure, there will be innocents harmed by that, but hopefully once Trump terms out the people will have learned their lesson. Failing a war or major terrorist attack, however, I don't think Trump will be re-elected. I'd say he has around 5% odds right now at best. His base will turn out for him, but due to the demographics of his base they're a much smaller segment of voters than they were in 2016. Best care scenario for Trump is that he keeps the electoral college somewhat close.

Evan, America is doomed and has been for a while. The sooner Christians realize this and get their houses in order the easier it will be when our end comes so to speak.
 

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Evan, America is doomed and has been for a while. The sooner Christians realize this and get their houses in order the easier it will be when our end comes so to speak.
I don't believe the fate of the Church of Jesus Christ rests with the rise and fall of the United States... the Kingdom is far greater and eternal
 

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I’ve been reading through the SDNY release today about the Trump foundation and Stormy Daniels. It looks like Hope Hicks lied to Congress.

Donald Trump definitely lied to the public. He said he had no idea what Cohen was doing, when, in fact trump was on the phone with him while the deal was happening. The phone records are very damning.

The only way trump can avoid charges, and the way Hicks avoided charges here is that you have to have had knowledge that these payments would have been a crime. This would be extremely difficult to prove.

The main takeaway is that Trump directly lied to all of us, again. His supporters, like Matt, will say Clinton did it too. His detractors, like me, will just whine and complain to no avail.
 

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I don't believe the fate of the Church of Jesus Christ rests with the rise and fall of the United States... the Kingdom is far greater and eternal

It doesnt. That is why we should accept the likely end to our country and work towards the true goal.

It does mean that once we realize this, we need to get our spiritual lives ready because it will not get easier for us. The truth is we have had it too easy too long.
 

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It doesnt. That is why we should accept the likely end to our country and work towards the true goal.

It does mean that once we realize this, we need to get our spiritual lives ready because it will not get easier for us. The truth is we have had it too easy too long.
Agree
 

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Trump working to getting rapper ASAP Rocky out of a jail in Sweden after him and his entourage were involved in a brawl caught on camera. I’m glad he has no problem with throwing lawful Americans in jail over owning a piece of plastic but caught in the act of a crime in a foreign country, let’s bail him out!
 

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Mr. President, why did you not vouch for the military veteran when his conviction for failure to register his suppressor with the ATF was up before the Supreme Court? Actually, you encouraged SCOTUS to reject his appeal and handed the ATF a victory.
 

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Why does Trump get vilified but JFK is revered by many. He committed his bad acts while sitting as president. I have no doubt he acted similarly before he became president. just wondering.
 

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I didn’t know JFK was a racist and a draft dodger.


Trump is not a racist and was getting a derfement illegal ? When Syria gassed men, women and children of color and mostly Muslims what did Obama do ? Nothing. What did Trump do ? Missile Strikes. When Isis was brutally killing men, women and children of color who were mostly Muslims, what did Obama do ? Hardly a thing. What did Trump do ? Kicked the crap out of them and took every square in of the caliphate back. Before He declared his run for president as a Republican Trump was revered by the black community for his philanthropic work in the black community. You can buy that lie all you want it just happens not to be true. I wonder how many black servants the Kennedy's had ?
 

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Color me shocked at Bernie Sanders' campaign crashing and burning after the $15/hr wage stint forces cuts to hours/employees.

But, hey, let's do that to the whole United States!
 

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Trump is not a racist and was getting a derfement illegal ? When Syria gassed men, women and children of color and mostly Muslims what did Obama do ? Nothing. What did Trump do ? Missile Strikes. When Isis was brutally killing men, women and children of color who were mostly Muslims, what did Obama do ? Hardly a thing. What did Trump do ? Kicked the crap out of them and took every square in of the caliphate back. Before He declared his run for president as a Republican Trump was revered by the black community for his philanthropic work in the black community. You can buy that lie all you want it just happens not to be true. I wonder how many black servants the Kennedy's had ?
Trump revered by the black community!? He had to settle a lawsuit for his racist renting practices. He was literally sued by the justice department in 1973 for his racist practices. He settled because he was guilty.

Here is a brief history of his charitable giving:

Please provide a link for his extensive philanthropic work in the black community. I couldn’t find it.

Just because his deferment was legal, doesn’t mean he isn’t a sissy that avoided war because he was scared. Captain Bone Spurs will never be a real man. He’s a racist that looks out for himself over his country.
 

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Trump is not a racist and was getting a derfement illegal ? When Syria gassed men, women and children of color and mostly Muslims what did Obama do ? Nothing. What did Trump do ? Missile Strikes. When Isis was brutally killing men, women and children of color who were mostly Muslims, what did Obama do ? Hardly a thing. What did Trump do ? Kicked the crap out of them and took every square in of the caliphate back. Before He declared his run for president as a Republican Trump was revered by the black community for his philanthropic work in the black community. You can buy that lie all you want it just happens not to be true. I wonder how many black servants the Kennedy's had ?
Worshipping status confirmed.
 

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Trump is not a racist and was getting a derfement illegal ? When Syria gassed men, women and children of color and mostly Muslims what did Obama do ? Nothing. What did Trump do ? Missile Strikes. When Isis was brutally killing men, women and children of color who were mostly Muslims, what did Obama do ? Hardly a thing. What did Trump do ? Kicked the crap out of them and took every square in of the caliphate back. Before He declared his run for president as a Republican Trump was revered by the black community for his philanthropic work in the black community. You can buy that lie all you want it just happens not to be true. I wonder how many black servants the Kennedy's had ?

Trump continued Obama's strategy against ISIS. ISIS was 85-90% finished off before Trump took office. Obama's weak-kneed cowardice in reference remains one of his most inexcusable failures. That said, Trump repeatedly ignored chemical attacks on civilians before striking, and has ignored several uses of chemical agents sense the strike.

Your fantastical claims about Trump and the black community are merely that -- fantasy. It's such a patent absurd claim that it makes me think you're about 10 milliseconds away from embracing Q-Anon.
 
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