Hybrid Tornadoes Thread

[joshoctober16]

Hybrid tornado really need their own thread

Hybrid tornadoes are now potentially official now (as seen with the damage tool site)

they work differently from normal supercell tornadoes or pure landspout

most of them come out of nowheres it seems because there requirment paramaters are different then pure landspout and supercell tornadoes.

here is a graph of the 2 types of hybrids and the common conditions they need.

 

[joshoctober16]

Hybrids tend to be lump into one area when comparing each of their parameters (note greenfield is not colored in the hybrid but it is one)





these are semi old , the possible zone needs a tiny bit of tweaks.

 

[Lake Martin EF4]

Surprised you didn't mention how violent many of the historical hybrid tornadoes are. Of the ones listed, 3 were rated F5 (and one of those 3 is the consensus pick for "strongest tornado of all time"), one had recorded windspeeds over 300 MPH, and at least one other (Hawley) seemed to be a lot stronger than officially rated IIRC. Wallfleet I'm not sure about.

Matador 2023 might have also been a hybrid tornado, or at least had landspout orgins according to Convective Chronicles' video. If that's the case then that one, too, was exceptionally violent and was actually stronger than Jarrell and Smithville IMO. I only have 3 tornadoes on my list that are higher than that one.

 

[joshoctober16]

Surprised you didn't mention how violent many of the historical hybrid tornadoes are. Of the ones listed, 3 were rated F5 (and one of those 3 is the consensus pick for "strongest tornado of all time"), one had recorded windspeeds over 300 MPH, and at least one other (Hawley) seemed to be a lot stronger than officially rated IIRC. Wallfleet I'm not sure about.

Matador 2023 might have also been a hybrid tornado, or at least had landspout orgins according to Convective Chronicles' video. If that's the case then that one, too, was exceptionally violent and was actually stronger than Jarrell and Smithville IMO. I only have 3 tornadoes on my list that are higher than that one.

matador is a interesting one for if its a hybrid or not , but one thing is for sure i find it to be very similar to Moore 2013 , and that brings up a other question... is Moore a possible hybrid base on the early damage?

i remember a survey map info about Moore that has me curious , i cant post the full thing as its going to complain the file is too big but here is a smaller closer zoom in of the part I'm talking about

 

[joshoctober16]

anyone have a sounding of the gary tornado today? look very hybrid ish to me.

 

[joshoctober16]

Gary tornado was most similar to elie 2007 base on BRN / MLCAPE / 0-6 Shear

both had 36-37 kts in shear 6 km
both had 3100-4000 in MLCAPE
both had 125-180 in BRN

 

[joshoctober16]

here is a tornado family tree type , with the 3 main types + Hybrids