Enhanced Fujita Ratings Debate Thread

[jiharris0220]

Underrated? Sure - I don’t know if it was unfairly underrated or if it was underrated just as a consequence of the scale’s confines, though. The tree damage from Robinson was really impressive. Egregiously underrated? Definitely not.

I actually do still think the Robinson survey was egregious, but not the usual reason of egregious. Any survey that involves missed DIs is automatically a bad one IMO, despite it being understandable why a lot of the homes went unsurveyed.
Obviously though, this isn’t a scenario where the weather office deliberately underrated the DIs that were surveyed.

Overall though, the March 31/April 1, 2023 tornado outbreak certainly had at the very least 3 violent tornadoes, and reasonably 5.

 

[ThatGuy;P]

Are any of the tornadoes from the southern mode considered to be violent candidates?

 

[SouthFLwx]

Are any of the tornadoes from the southern mode considered to be violent candidates?

that one long-tracked Tennessee tornado that happened overnight

 

[TH2002]

Thought it was caked in mud but I think it might've been the fourth image. Dunno how I would've mixed it up. Joplin was crazy.

found this photo, maybe the one you were referring to? (it's also from Joplin btw)

that one long-tracked Tennessee tornado that happened overnight

McNairy Co. definitely should have been rated a low-end EF4 based on the destruction of the Purdy Community Center, pavement scouring and partial debarking.

 

[eep]

found this photo, maybe the one you were referring to? (it's also from Joplin btw)



McNairy Co. definitely should have been rated a low-end EF4 based on the destruction of the Purdy Community Center, pavement scouring and partial debarking.

Now that I've been thinking about it, it might have been the Greenfield stop and I probably misread the reply. Thanks for the help though. It's a good lesson though, vaguely misremembering things is probably how most of the crazier tornado rumors start lol.

 

[akt1985]

What is everyone’s opinion of the Castilian Springs, Tennessee tornado from Super Tuesday 2008? It was rated an EF2 at first before being upgraded to low-end EF3 but it had the most fatalities from all the tornadoes in that outbreak.

 

[SweptSlab5]

Does anyone have any photos of F5 damage from the 1976 Jordan, Iowa tornado? I have seen images of F4 damage, but not F5 damage. It had a weird U shaped path and looked monstorus. There was also that video where the man recording was hit by the anti-cyclonic F3 that happened right next to it.

 

[speedbump305]

The damage the Kentucky tornado produced in that one subdivision in Bremen still stands to me as the most violent tornado damage on par with Smithville, BridgeCreek, Matador, ect.
The windrowing it did to the cinderblock foundation of that weirdly constructed two story was astonishing to say the least, as it pulverized it to grain sized particles.
What I find equally as impressive is the lack of much debris within the path, the pieces of debris that you did find were no bigger than a two-by-four, at the very largest.
Nothing to say of the debarked, stubbed foliage and ground scouring as well.
I found it impressive back then, I find it even more impressive now, easily a high end EF5.
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I couldn’t agree more. I think people truly underestimate just how violent the Mayfield tornado actually got in Bremen, and these images show the sheer violence perfectly. Not to mention, this was when the tornado had been on the ground for two hours already. It’s absolutely terrifying to think how it was on the ground for so long and it decided to just unleash some of the most violent tornado damage we’ve ever seen documented. Just a nightmare scenario all around and to this day, I still can’t believe this happened.


I mean good god, just look at the scouring, wind rowing, and granulation. Just absurd.

 

[speedbump305]

Speaking of the wind rowed trees in Bremen, does anyone have that pic? I should have saved it.

@buckeye05

 

[jiharris0220]

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I couldn’t agree more. I think people truly underestimate just how violent the Mayfield tornado actually got in Bremen, and these images show the sheer violence perfectly. Not to mention, this was when the tornado had been on the ground for two hours already. It’s absolutely terrifying to think how it was on the ground for so long and it decided to just unleash some of the most violent tornado damage we’ve ever seen documented. Just a nightmare scenario all around and to this day, I still can’t believe this happened.


I mean good god, just look at the scouring, wind rowing, and granulation. Just absurd.

Not just Bremen either, people tend to underestimate how violent it was in Mayfield itself.
The vehicle damage, especially to heavy machinery, is amongst the most violent ever and what it did to that church is honestly the most impressive damage feat to a monolithic structure in modern history imo.
This thing easily reached EF5 intensity in multiple areas along its path.

 

[speedbump305]

Not just Bremen either, people tend to underestimate how violent it was in Mayfield itself.
The vehicle damage, especially to heavy machinery, is amongst the most violent ever and what it did to that church is honestly the most impressive damage feat to a monolithic structure in modern history imo.
This thing easily reached EF5 intensity in multiple areas along its path.

I agree. I think these areas in particular are where the tornado reached EF5 intensity.

1: SW Mayfield/Downtown
2: Princeton/UK research facility
3: Dawson Springs ( the contextual damage here gets overlooked a bit in my opinion.
4: Bremen

These areas all had the hallmarks of a very violent EF4+ tornado. From the insane scouring in Bremen, to the extreme vehicle damage in Mayfield, and the horrific damage to the church, it had it all.

 

[SouthFLwx]

Not just Bremen either, people tend to underestimate how violent it was in Mayfield itself.
The vehicle damage, especially to heavy machinery, is amongst the most violent ever and what it did to that church is honestly the most impressive damage feat to a monolithic structure in modern history imo.
This thing easily reached EF5 intensity in multiple areas along its path.

Most violent tornadoes usually only do EF4+ damage in one or 2 towns. This one did EF4+ damage in 7: Cayce, Mayfield, Cambridge Shores, Princeton, Dawson Springs, Barnsley, and Bremen

 

[Brice W]

I’m still processing how rare of an event this was. Was on this forum tracking it and I will never forget that TBSS and the debris ball reflectivity image just before it impacted Mayfield. Two of the most haunting radar images you’ll ever see.