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That’s how they get ya.I was just going based purely on statistics.
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That’s how they get ya.I was just going based purely on statistics.
Would never know it’s bad here. News hardly mentions it and everything is pretty much open full capacity. Masks are probably worn by 30% if that. Older people definitely are not wearing. It’s mainly younger people. Governor did away with mask mandate. I don’t see TN reaching even 50% vaccinated. I had a customer today he and his wife took the vaccine. He had no issue but his wife was down 3 days. He said he would take it again. His wife said absolutely no way. She’s done with even a booster. Same with my mom who is a cancer survivor and 72. She said no more vaccine for her. Strange how it affects some and not others.
Ok. Living comes with risks. We all are going to die one day.The dead can't speak, shop, or dine out.
Right, but why take a decently large risk for basically no gain?Ok. Living comes with risks. We all are going to die one day.
Well, I think we've discussed this some in the past, and I don't remember exactly where we left it, but my take is that although seasonality plays a role, some of the data correlation you see is really more about how people cycle their behavior in response to weather, rising cases, media attention, lockdown fatigue, etc.
Sure, UV exposure, RH, and temperature impact the survivability and spread of COVID. And I know you would absolutely agree that weather conditions definitely influence people's behavior in a given area as it pertains to activies that are more/less likely to transmit/spread COVID. For example, after a period of several weeks with cold temps and heavy snow, if there's a few days or a week with a nice thaw and sunshine, people's behaviors are going to change massively as far as what they do, where they do it, and how they do it.
Similarly, I think that event calendars throughout the year vary substantially on what activities are performed and where (inside vs outside and activities conducive the warmer or colder weather). Clearly COVID disrupted this, but most states kept fairly similar profiles in what they allowed and when/how with a few outliers here and there.
My point is that the climate variable, IMO, is more about how different climates and different periods of weather drive changes in human behavior and activities versus any impact on the virus itself and the virus' own behavior. The latter still is influenced by climate and weather but we shouldn't see such large variations between states who've had extremely similar weather for the past several months and share as very similar geography and climate.
As an example, why in the world has Ohio and Indiana not looked anything like Michigan for the period of March - yesterday? Looking at its surrounding states, there's not really a state anywhere around Michigan that has had similar case increases/decreases over the same time period. You could say Minnesota and Pennsylvania line as far as the shape of your case count changes on a graph but the slope and trajectory of cases in those states are a fraction of what happened in Michigan. A little odd, no?
To expound a bit further, we can also look at states that border Canada. I'm sure you're very familiar with how the population is distributed in Canada. Border crossings and population movement between Canada and the United States (excluding Vancouver) are going to be 95%+ Ontario/Quebec into Michigan/New York.
I found a COVID graph for the 5 counties of Western NY surrounding the Buffalo area (2nd busy USA/Canada crossing site after Michigan).
5 Western NY counties: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...cle_261f0820-dcb5-11ea-9ade-d3e35b30860b.html
Michigan: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/michigan/
Canada: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/
It is stunning how similar Canada and Michigan have been this year until vaccine rollout increased in the USA. The western NY map is not quite as heavily correlated but still looks more similar to Michigan and Canada than all the states in Michigan's region. No state in the Midwest has that kind of aggressive slope that Michigan has. But the western NY counties get close and Canada is just dead-on similar. Thus, my point is that the reason Michigan and the Western NY counties are seeing such a quick and sharp drop is because of better vaccination rates. Canada's numbers are slowly decreasing at a much lower rate of change.
It's just a theory. I would expect Michigan and the 5 western NY counties to be somewhat similar due to climate/weather and Canada border crossings. I think the border crossings and Canada's lower vaccination rates is a plausible explanation for why Michigan and the 5 western NY counties looked more like Canada than any place in the United States until recently. Just a hypothesis. I may be totally wrong.
The second shot really hammered me. Fatigue, chills, overall feeling of “blah”. It truly felt like I had the flu.
Are you a big supporter of Denmark’s governmental behavior and decisions?Interesting. So Denmark will not allow the Johnson and Johnson vaccine to be distributed yet America will. Also going to be a lot of big money made in fake vaccine passports and the software to override vaccine passports on the phone to make them fake. Also lawyers busy busy times ahead for them in the lawsuits.
What's wrong with the J&J vaccine?No just find it interesting that European countries and others do not allow J&J vaccine yet America does. Not surprising though. Most politicians are in bed with big pharma. As said above does not matter because America is now reaching point where the ones not vaccinated will not be getting vaccinated. All polls show America will reach about 50-60% to take vaccines. I’m thinking it’s going to be much less.
You may not have seen this on the racist Twitter feeds that you follow:No just find it interesting that European countries and others do not allow J&J vaccine yet America does. Not surprising though. Most politicians are in bed with big pharma. As said above does not matter because America is now reaching point where the ones not vaccinated will not be getting vaccinated. All polls show America will reach about 50-60% to take vaccines. I’m thinking it’s going to be much less.
Time to teach you a couple of things:Depends on who you listen to. European countries say it causes blood clots and is more than what the American govt says. So it just comes down to who you believe. The govt. along with CDC has made this a train wreck. Not sure what the uproar is about taking vaccine. If someone takes it then they are safe or at least will have less severe symptoms. The vaccine does not keep someone from getting Covid though lessens chances they say. Yet we are not at a time yet where we know this is true because these vaccines are in all reality still in clinical trails. By end of year we should have an idea what happens when all those vaccinated have to get the booster or another round. Like Cuomo today saying someone who does not take the vaccine could kill their grandmother. Wait if the grandmother took the vaccine then she’s safe. The mixed signals from all sides is comical. I have no doubt lawyers will be extremely busy where people get fired for not taking vaccine to where people are being refused to enter private businesses that have had the vaccine. Just like many states are banning vaccine passports. There will be states requiring them to ones not. Easy to tell which ones will and will not. Blue and Red. Here in TN they are banned and all UT campuses have announced no requirement for vaccines to attend colleges. The mask is said to be nixed also at the campuses. Nothing official on that yet. SCOTUS will be the one to decide. It’s most definitely heading there.
No, citing a tweet from “Only White Lives Matter” as evidence is racist.Racist? Having a different opinion about vaccines is considered racist?
Yes, the difference between only the grandmother taking the vaccine vs grandmother and grandson taking the vaccine is statistically significant. You are constantly pointing out that the vaccine is not 100% effective. Given that, it is important for those around you to also be vaccinated in order to minimize the likelihood of you catching it. If you can’t understand that from a mathematical standpoint, I can’t help you.I already knew and understood that. The assumption was granny had taken the vaccine. May I ask how old you are? I own I’m not the most book smart individual but I am street smart and have common sense. Also I respect everyone even if different opinions. You seem to have no respect for others. Your attitude is I’m right your wrong. Reason I ask your age it seems to be a common theme of younger generations these days. Not realizing a lot of your older generations have seen a lot. I have not told anyone to not get the vaccine. I simply have a different opinion and would rather see what happens in the long term with the vaccines. You can not deny these vaccines are still in the clinical trials. Also the unexplained ladies having bleeding and periods. No that’s not from some conspiracy site. It’s actually been on the major news sites. Why no one knows. It seems no matter what I say you have already made up your mind about me. I am not against vaccines for I take the flu vaccine. I choose to listen and take in what I hear and see instead of being hateful and acting like a know it all attitude.