Significant tornado parameter is just causally maxed out over portions of central Arkansas as well lol.84th hour of the NAM. And values were rising, so I'm sure the next ones were going to be nearly maxed out.
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Significant tornado parameter is just causally maxed out over portions of central Arkansas as well lol.84th hour of the NAM. And values were rising, so I'm sure the next ones were going to be nearly maxed out.
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Nice @AJSClapWell, catching up on everything this morning. Got 1st place at my open water championship so that’s a win. But those models for Wednesday continue to show a potential significant severe weather outbreak. Definitely some high parameters in place and the NAM is certainly showing that
You articulate it very well. Completely agreed.With mesoscale and storm scale so hard to resolve on models, you really don’t know how ultra high a ceiling of an event is until it’s occurring.
thank you! When I say ultra-high, I mean super outbreak territory. However, synoptically speaking, this one does seem to be inching into high ceiling territory as you mentionedYou articulate it very well. Completely agreed.
agreed, rather-high end parameter space pot for a rather large area, no buenothank you! When I say ultra-high, I mean super outbreak territory. However, synoptically speaking, this one does seem to be inching into high ceiling territory as you mentioned
I think it was warranted for at least eastern Oklahoma up into southeast Kansas and southwest Missouri.Like last night? Because that was a fail
If the 0z models maintain , certainly a possibilityDo y’all think we see a day 3 moderate or would there be not enough confidence for that?
I would be fairly surprised. You never know, though.Do y’all think we see a day 3 moderate or would there be not enough confidence for that?
Hard to say to be honest. One of those things where I wouldn't be surprised if they did, and not surprised if they didn't.Do y’all think we see a day 3 moderate or would there be not enough confidence for that?
I lived through that night of April 3rd in Northern Jefferson County. My grandparents farm was struck by a weaker tornado that night near Bear Creek, Al., NE of Guin. I remember the one lady in Guin, AL. who had her own weather station and by 3:00 P.M. I believe she said, had a Td (dewpoint) of 80F. The air was so thick that day and the constant surface winds were very strong all day. The sky to our north looking out the window towards Cullman was "greenish" at 8:00 ish P.M. at night.The setup next Wednesday continues to look pretty high-end, its not hard to see why the experts at the SPC have delineated a very large 30% area with the mention of 'several tornadoes'.
Very strong, broad-based trough overlapping a very large warm sector. I tried to draw the 60F DP line in black over the 500mb chart, and you can clearly see how the mid-level speed max is impinging on the northern half of the warm sector. While fairly basic, that alone is a fairly strong signal for a widespread severe weather risk
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The one thing that could be viewed as somewhat of a limiter is the fact the strongest synoptic scale forcing will be limited to the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes region, further north than the warm sector. In fact, most regions in the SPC 30% area see very small or even zero height falls throughout the forecast period, especially 21z-03z. This is likely to make initiation, especially from S IN into TN much more dependent on surface factors.
That being said, surface factors at the moment do seem to favor at least a scattered storm mode. Most model soundings suggest capping will be fairly minimal, and there also seems to be support for a confluence zone (rough position denoted with green dashed line) running from NE Arkansas up to wards IN/OH. This does seem to set the stage for dangerous event Wednesday afternoon/evening.
I don't make this comparison in terms of saying this event will be the same, whatsoever. However, 1974 had a similar situation in that height falls were fairly minimal through the southern portion of the risk area but mesoscale features led to the development of a couple convective bands. Read more in this paper here:
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Revisiting the 3–4 April 1974 Super Outbreak of Tornadoes
Abstract The Super Outbreak of tornadoes over the central and eastern United States on 3–4 April 1974 remains the most outstanding severe convective weather episode on record in the continental United States. The outbreak far surpassed previous and succeeding events in severity, longevity, and...journals.ametsoc.org
To stress again, I am not in anyway comparing the events other than noting a lack of strong upper level forcing doesn't necessarily mean there wont be widespread severe. I am sure there are better examples than this, but I trust this forum is not as weenie as other places (cough wxtwitter) to take comparisons like this out of context anyway.
Either way, models should be watched closely next few days.
Done. I was going to this morning but I never go around to it. Glad you posted this as well!Can we add april 4th to this thread? A substantial severe threat may happen the next day over the same general areas. View attachment 37757