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That's exactly what he was supposed to do.
Dang what a waste of money. Haha.
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That's exactly what he was supposed to do.
Except the investigation turned a net profit.Dang what a waste of money. Haha.
Except the investigation turned a net profit.
From the seizures of Manafort's property and money to the tune of $46 millionWhere?
From the seizures of Manafort's property and money to the tune of $46 million
First time for everything.Well that's nice to know atleast. Something the government done atleast paid for itself.
And Hillary still isn't in jail.
So my first statement was correct in that they pretty much gave nods to both sides to appease both sides without having the guts to try to make a charge stick or to say he did nothing wrong. He pretty much said here is what "could" have been collusion or obstruction, y'all fight it out and I'm taking my money to the house.
Like I said, big shocker.
The report paints a completely different picture. It should be required reading.I disagree with your thorough analysis on Barr's behavior and his findings, Evan, in regards to obstruction. I don't believe Barr is behaving as Trump's wing man at all in this. I have studied this too, and what I see is Trump being belligerent and yelling at the walls, tweeting stupid crap, and yes, even walking right up to the line of obstruction and touching it. But what was his intent for doing it? Because my understanding is intent is everything in a provable obstruction case. Was he afraid of getting found out for colluding with the Russians and he wanted to shut it down? Doesn't seem likely knowing the outcome now. One could certainly make that argument. Or was he just pissed off that he was being accused of being a traitor and he was saying and doing stupid crap because Trump is a man-child and that's the sort of thing we've learned to expect from this President? Intent matters and that was Barr's argument. Trump's feelings were specifically mentioned in Mueller's report because it goes toward intent and Barr was speaking to that. Look, I'm not a fan of Trump. You know this. But I'm seeing this from a totally different angle from you. As far as collusion goes, I never felt he colluded with Russia, but I more or less agree with your assessment here than in your past posts. The fact there isn't "sufficient" evidence after two years isn't surprising to me.
I disagree with your thorough analysis on Barr's behavior and his findings, Evan, in regards to obstruction. I don't believe Barr is behaving as Trump's wing man at all in this. I have studied this too, and what I see is Trump being belligerent and yelling at the walls, tweeting stupid crap, and yes, even walking right up to the line of obstruction and touching it. But what was his intent for doing it? Because my understanding is intent is everything in a provable obstruction case. Was he afraid of getting found out for colluding with the Russians and he wanted to shut it down? Doesn't seem likely knowing the outcome now. One could certainly make that argument. Or was he just pissed off that he was being accused of being a traitor and he was saying and doing stupid crap because Trump is a man-child and that's the sort of thing we've learned to expect from this President? Intent matters and that was Barr's argument. Trump's feelings were specifically mentioned in Mueller's report because it goes toward intent and Barr was speaking to that. Look, I'm not a fan of Trump. You know this. But I'm seeing this from a totally different angle from you. As far as collusion goes, I never felt he colluded with Russia, but I more or less agree with your assessment here than in your past posts. The fact there isn't "sufficient" evidence after two years isn't surprising to me.
The president is the one that wants to drag this out.I read the report too. And after two years of "Russia Collusion" the thing everyone is talking about now is Obstruction and whether or not he did or didn't. While the report is certainly not flattering to Trump, (no one assumed it would be) the report should have, at least, resolved the issue of did he or didn't he. And if Mueller couldn't decide then he should have said he wasn't recommending charges. Because he isn't, is he? He's not recommending charges. Instead, he's gone this long way around of saying just that thing without saying it. And he's left it up to someone else to say it. And let them take the hit for it. Meanwhile, nothing but more agitation and pointing fingers and all the rest of it continues on. They are already calling for Mueller to testify. Barr has stated he has no problem with Mueller testifying. I suppose this thing will go on til the end of freaking time. And that sort of feels like the goal at this point. Let's just keep dragging this thing out indefinitely. Keep that pall over this President's head. And you know what, I'm just done.
(If I sound aggravated it's not at you, Evan. I'm just aggravated.)
The president is the one that wants to drag this out.
Mueller was never going to charge the president. It’s against policy. He explained this. It’s up to Congress.
Obstruction was the reason the special council was established to investigate collusion instead of the FBI. And for two years the discussion hasn't just been on collision, there's been a lot of obstruction talk too.I read the report too. And after two years of "Russia Collusion" the thing everyone is talking about now is Obstruction and whether or not he did or didn't. While the report is certainly not flattering to Trump, (no one assumed it would be) the report should have, at least, resolved the issue of did he or didn't he. And if Mueller couldn't decide then he should have said he wasn't recommending charges. Because he isn't, is he? He's not recommending charges. Instead, he's gone this long way around of saying just that thing without saying it. And he's left it up to someone else to say it. And let them take the hit for it. Meanwhile, nothing but more agitation and pointing fingers and all the rest of it continues on. They are already calling for Mueller to testify. Barr has stated he has no problem with Mueller testifying. I suppose this thing will go on til the end of freaking time. And that sort of feels like the goal at this point. Let's just keep dragging this thing out indefinitely. Keep that pall over this President's head. And you know what, I'm just done.
(If I sound aggravated it's not at you, Evan. I'm just aggravated.)
Why did the negotiation for his answering questions take over a year? Then when he did “answer” questions in a written format, he said he couldn’t remember over 30 times, and he didn’t even answer some of the questions. That’s ridiculous. If he wanted the investigation done, he would have submitted to an interview quickly.The President wants to drag this out? Just stop. People like you who actually make me defend Donald Trump is what really pisses me off.
Obstruction was the reason the special council was established to investigate collusion instead of the FBI. And for two years the discussion hasn't just been on collision, there's been a lot of obstruction talk too.
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Why did the negotiation for his answering questions take over a year? Then when he did “answer” questions in a written format, he said he couldn’t remember over 30 times, and he didn’t even answer some of the questions. That’s ridiculous. If he wanted the investigation done, he would have submitted to an interview quickly.
The idea is to delay and distract as long as they can. Read Hoyer’s quote from yesterday and try to tell me Trump’s plan didn’t work.
I am dead right here. The strategy to delay was very smart. Impeachment and removal from office was at stake. The best course is to delay the proceedings until your term is up.
I read the report too. And after two years of "Russia Collusion" the thing everyone is talking about now is Obstruction and whether or not he did or didn't. While the report is certainly not flattering to Trump, (no one assumed it would be) the report should have, at least, resolved the issue of did he or didn't he. And if Mueller couldn't decide then he should have said he wasn't recommending charges. Because he isn't, is he? He's not recommending charges. Instead, he's gone this long way around of saying just that thing without saying it. And he's left it up to someone else to say it. And let them take the hit for it. Meanwhile, nothing but more agitation and pointing fingers and all the rest of it continues on. They are already calling for Mueller to testify. Barr has stated he has no problem with Mueller testifying. I suppose this thing will go on til the end of freaking time. And that sort of feels like the goal at this point. Let's just keep dragging this thing out indefinitely. Keep that pall over this President's head. And you know what, I'm just done.
(If I sound aggravated it's not at you, Evan. I'm just aggravated.)