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Yeah, amazing how much info can be found on it now since 2014 or so (the 40th anniversary of it and the outbreak it was from). I have a feeling 4/3/2024 there's gonna be a ton of damage photos posted of it on either NWS or TornadoTalk will do a fantastic article on it with a ton of color photographs from it. I found the aerial of it where the path is clearly visible through the center of town via an old paper of Fujita's on downbursts, of all things. It wouldn't surprise me if some university has access to a ton of photographs from Guin but you have to be there in person to see them.
Texas Tech has Fujita's entire collection - photos, videos, maps, notes, papers, books, interviews, etc. But most of it is only accessible in person and you need to buy leases if you want to actually use anything. It's BS, but it's just one of many incredible collections that are effectively locked away from the public.
 

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Is this the scouring pic? It doesn't look as deep as Moore to me, but it reminds me of Hackleburg-Phil Campbell for sure. Given the rapid forward speed (up to 74 mph according to Grazulis) this kinda scouring is extremely impressive.
This one is always weird to me:

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If you only focus on the foreground, it looks like rather impressive vegetation damage. But then the building 20 feet away looks practically untouched aside from the broken windows.
 

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Texas Tech has Fujita's entire collection - photos, videos, maps, notes, papers, books, interviews, etc. But most of it is only accessible in person and you need to buy leases if you want to actually use anything. It's BS, but it's just one of many incredible collections that are effectively locked away from the public.
This reminded me - I know I've posted most of the Brandenburg survey photos I was able to get (at some point I'll put all of them in a zip file and post a link) but I'm not sure if I've ever posted the other stuff.

These are all from Northern Alabama (mostly Madison County), but they didn't include any specific location info:

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Where'd you find all these color photos and the Brandenburg color photos? I can't find them on Texas Tech's archives, or maybe I'm not looking good enough.
I'm not sure they ever had them posted publicly. I was just kinda snooping around the website's root directory way back and stumbled upon them. There were these 4/3/74 photos, the Jarrell photos and IIRC some from the Lubbock F5, but those didn't really show anything of interest so I never saved them. No idea if they're still accessible anywhere because they overhauled the website several years ago.
 
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I'm not sure they ever had them posted publicly. I was just kinda snooping around the website's root directory way back and stumbled upon them. There were these 4/3/74 photos, the Jarrell photos and IIRC some from the Lubbock F5, but those didn't really show anything of interest so I never saved them. No idea if they're still accessible anywhere because they overhauled the website several years ago.
Ah man, got lucky there. I wonder if a bunch of color photographs from Tanner and Guin were available once but are since gone cuz of overhauling the site.
 

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Ah man, got lucky there. I wonder if a bunch of color photographs from Tanner and Guin were available once but are since gone cuz of overhauling the site.
I searched pretty thoroughly and that was all that turned up, unfortunately. I dunno why those specific ones out of all the thousands and thousands of photos they have from hundreds of different surveys, but I wasn't complaining lol
 

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Okay, here's the Xenia stuff:

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And there was randomly one photo from the Monticello F4 survey as well:

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In that first Xenia photo there does appear to be debris granulation and some debarking of low-lying trees/shrubs, which helps support its F5 rating IMO.
 

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Some of those Xenia pictures are seriously impressive, it may not have maintained violent intensity for very long but it was incredibly intense in that brief period. Seems like a lot of the violent tornadoes on 4/3/74 had extremely sharp damage contours with Guin being the most notable with F5 damage occurring within literal feet of F0 damage. Wonder if forward speed has something to do with the damage contours being so sharp.
 

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Some of those Xenia pictures are seriously impressive, it may not have maintained violent intensity for very long but it was incredibly intense in that brief period. Seems like a lot of the violent tornadoes on 4/3/74 had extremely sharp damage contours with Guin being the most notable with F5 damage occurring within literal feet of F0 damage. Wonder if forward speed has something to do with the damage contours being so sharp.
Xenia's path reminds me of Niles-Wheatland, just not quite as violent IMO. But in terms of the sharp gradient, the wind rowing, etc.

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The narrow streak of violent damage really stands out here:

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This reminded me - I know I've posted most of the Brandenburg survey photos I was able to get (at some point I'll put all of them in a zip file and post a link) but I'm not sure if I've ever posted the other stuff.

These are all from Northern Alabama (mostly Madison County), but they didn't include any specific location info:

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I'm wandering which town was it in the fourth and fifth pic? Was it Guin or Hunteville?
 
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I've never tried to match it up so I'm not sure, but I don't think it's Guin. More likely somewhere in the Decatur - Madison - Huntsville area.
Originally Guin & Huntsville were believed to be a single tornado with a 132 mile long path (sound familiar) but the section from Decatur to Hytop was determined to be from the F3 that affected Huntsville (although some of the pics from Madison make me wonder if it may have achieved F4 intensity at some point).
This one is always weird to me:

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If you only focus on the foreground, it looks like rather impressive vegetation damage. But then the building 20 feet away looks practically untouched aside from the broken windows.
Maybe this was done by a suction vortex that dissipated right before hitting the building? Fujita said the F5 damage gradient was extremely narrow when viewed from the air at some points, Guin kinda reminds me of Niles-Wheatland in some ways.
 
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Huntsville seems to be the only tornado in Northern Alabama during the 1974 Super Outbreak that was photographed. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19760020697/downloads/19760020697.pdf
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Given that these were fast-moving Dixie wedges at night, it's not surprising. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if there's at east one pic of one of the Tanner tornadoes and/or of Guin sitting around in someone's attic or a local history/state archives place.
Here are 2 better pics of Huntsville being illuminated in the power flash. Love how the funnel shape is clearly outlined by the electric flash:

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Some of those Xenia pictures are seriously impressive, it may not have maintained violent intensity for very long but it was incredibly intense in that brief period. Seems like a lot of the violent tornadoes on 4/3/74 had extremely sharp damage contours with Guin being the most notable with F5 damage occurring within literal feet of F0 damage. Wonder if forward speed has something to do with the damage contours being so sharp.
I think the rapid forward speeds of Dixie wedges often leads to the damage contours being so sharp, as the core of extreme winds doesn't have much time to affect an area compared to slower-moving wedges like on the plains or Jarrel/Loyal Valley type-tornadoes.
 

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Is this the scouring pic? It doesn't look as deep as Moore to me, but it reminds me of Hackleburg-Phil Campbell for sure. Given the rapid forward speed (up to 74 mph according to Grazulis) this kinda scouring is extremely impressive.
Yeah that’s the one. The foreground shows nothing but bare soil with all surface vegetation removed. I honestly can’t think of any photos from Hackleburg-Phil Campbell that show anything quite like that, unless it’s something I haven’t seen yet.
 
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