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I can't figure out how that is only mid to high-end EF3 damage.What we know is the very newly built steeled reinforced section of the building totally collapsed on the West side of the building, which was also the only portion that near tornado's center.
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Fair enough. In terms of competent, thorough surveying, and leaving no stones unturned, this has been an utter disaster. Also, yeah the UK Grain Center building was horribly under-rated, so I have to agree with you on those points.No, I think neglecting large sections of potentially high end damage is nonsense. It's bad in a different way from Vilonia/Goldsby/etc., but it's bad.
Also the UK Grain Center rating is nonsense.
I haven't been able to confirm any confirmation of this, but what it did to that tanker and other vehicles in Mayfield leaves little doubt that it was probably capable.Does anyone know of any cases of vehicles being tossed/thrown >500 yards by the Mayfield tornado?
See this is the other thing, the lack of information about things like this is sad. I would not be surprised at all if it happened in places like Mayfield and Bremen. I would rather have the information and argue over the ratings versus have very little and be forced to speculate.Does anyone know of any cases of vehicles being tossed/thrown >500 yards by the Mayfield tornado?
Yeah, there should be no "mysteries" about what did and didn't happen during major tornadoes in this day and age, not the way there was in the old/pre-Fujita days.What really unacceptable here was we would probably never know these ground digging and asphalt scouring, driveway scouring things without all these dedicated enthusiasts. No any mention about these things by Paducah.
We tornado damage enthusiasts have seen thousands of different photos of what violent tornado damage looks like. We have spent countless hours looking over these photos and in some cases for many years. It is not like we look at these damage photos for our health.Fair enough. In terms of competent, thorough surveying, and leaving no stones unturned, this has been an utter disaster. Also, yeah the UK Grain Center building was horribly under-rated, so I have to agree with you on those points.
But I'm simply speaking in terms of what information we have available regarding the construction quality of homes that have been photographed or surveyed so far, and in that regard, this one doesn't quite stack up to the other "shoulda been an EF5" EF4s throughout the past decade or so, and I think that is a fair assessment that is supported by quite a bit of evidence.
THIS! A million times this. If context can be used to downgrade, it should also be used to upgrade. The absurdity of saying scouring means nothing in one situation, and then the lack of it having enough significance to drop an entire rating below the expected value, is simply ridiculous. The amount of contridiction and lack of logic associated with this practice is astounding. I am absolutely fine with context being used in surveys, and I encourage it in fact, but has to go BOTH ways! It doesn't take a genius to see the contradiction and redundancy of only using context for downgrading.The one end of the path was the second pic I posted above. The excuse here was no scouring and fence intact. But there was other areas that strong scouring occurred with no qualified house. Scouring now only been used as a excuse to prevent upgrading when It was not present. When strong scouring happened in like Crutchfield and Bremen, It immediately meaned nothing in the scale.
And this one I believe, hard to recognize itI haven't been able to confirm any confirmation of this, but what it did to that tanker and other vehicles in Mayfield leaves little doubt that it was probably capable.
Those cars were moved to a yard of tornado-damaged cars. It's not where it was originally located.And this one I believe, hard to recognize it
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It's weird to see completely intact cars and cars which mangled beyond recognition all came from the same parking place. Also there's a combine thrown over 100 yards and tangled around a semi-truck while the rest Combines remained unharmed.I'm assuming some extreme subvortices were the contributor to these damage.
Yeah I got that, but it's safe to assume that those severely mangled cars and unharmed cars might have come from the same place, at least, they're not far apart. It's not usual to see the level of car damage varies so much in just one place(Moore, Vilonia, Joplin these solid EF5s mangled almost every car they encountered, on the other side, less violent tornadoes but solid EF4s like Jonesboro 2020 and Gallatin TN F3 from 2006 did only one or two extreme car damage and left the rest slightly damaged or unharmed).When it comes to the Mayfield case, you can find dozens of extreme, EF5 level car damage with others being EF0-EF1 level car damage.Those cars were moved to a yard of tornado-damaged cars. It's not where it was originally located.
While it is hard to say on rating vehicle damage, would you believe this type of vehicle damage is associated with high-end EF4+ tornadoes? I like some other people's opinions so I feel like I am not second guessing myself.And this one I believe, hard to recognize it
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It's weird to see completely intact cars and cars which mangled beyond recognition all came from the same parking place. Also there's a combine thrown over 100 yards and tangled around a semi-truck while the rest Combines remained unharmed.I'm assuming some extreme subvortices were the contributor to these damage.