I’m honestly not happy with this at all, but I’m not surprised unfortunately.
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Severe WX December 10 & 11, 2021 Severe Threat
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Shakespeare 2016
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I am not happy with it either but I would hate to go back to 2006 right before the EF-SCALE. The tornado ratings then were abysmal.
Shakespeare 2016
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I am wondering if tornadoes like Dresden and Bowling Green will be left as high-end EF3'S.
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Did I miss something? I thought 190 was preliminary?
Shakespeare 2016
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I hope it is but I don't know for sure.
Totally unscientific, but I can’t remember a single preliminary 190 MPH that has ever been upgraded further. I view it as a bad omen at this point. But yeah technically it is preliminary, even though I think no major changes will occur given past experiences:
Blacksheep
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Agree 100%, let's hope the professionals discuss and rate after reviewing all the data and DI. As stated by NWS Paducah this was "historic" + plus accepted assistance, which lends me to believe that they will ultimately rate Western KY an EF5 in due time. As much as 5 days is a long time to wait, it is much longer to those impacted.
Tanner
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There are way more contextual (and perhaps residential) indicators than any prelim 190mph EF4 that I can ever remember. I trust that it is preliminary and that surveys are not even close to done. If it stays at what it is, then I will have to hop on the idea of that being BS. However, until I see "OFFICIAL" on a survey I won't sweat it. Nor should you or anyone else.
Shakespeare 2016
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I find it kind of sad that seeing a tornado being rated high-end EF4. I remember the days when the FUJITA-SCALE was about to be replaced with the EF-SCALE and surveys were particularly brutal back then. I however think this tornado definitely deserves an EF5 rating.
SilentShadow87
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I'll just note that the Plainfield IL, Chandler MN and Philadelphia MS tornadoes were all rated F5 or EF5 entirely based on soil, grass and/or crop scouring. If contextual evidence like that is going to be completely ignored, then it's only fair to downgrade those tornadoes as well, but we all know that isn't going to happen.
Officially two >120 mile long paths now from 12/10. Insane.
SilentShadow87
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Not comparing the event in general to 4/27, but I think that was the last day when there was more than one tornado with a path that long.
123 miles was even longer than Cordova or arguablely Hackleburg according to Tornadotalk yet such a historic tornado was largely ignored on that day.
Equus
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If I don't have anything nice to say I shouldn't say it at all, so regarding the surveys and conclusions, suffice to say I'm not gonna say anything at all right now
I think this confirms it...
Well if Bridge Creek and Jarrell are the standard for EF5 now, then no wonder...
Shakespeare 2016
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I don't get it! I thought you could rate tornadoes EF5 it there is extreme contextual damage.
Tanner
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I've officially hopped on the BS train. This is ludicrous. I really don't care what anyone else thinks.
Shakespeare 2016
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I definitely agree that it should be rated EF5.
This is the exact failure mode I was expecting. Context-based EF5 is no longer a thing. This establishes it.
