2020 Political Thread

[JayF]

Been seeing a lot of traffic on FB today among many of my friends encouraging a mass exodus to a new social media site called "Parler". From what I can infer... they are saying free speech won't be stifled over there and you can speak your mind without fear of censorship. Anybody know much about "Parler"? I can say all the many people who are going there to establish accounts are friends who are very upset with the results of the election. Anyone here on "Parler" and can fill me in on what's the allure?

Maybe this should be in the Banter thread, but I posted it here because it seems to have political overtones

I know many people who are going over. and while yes some it does have to do with the election, the main issue is Facebook and Twitters continued censorship of conservative view points. They do not treat political points of view on the right the same as they do on the left. Every time a post was made that was trump related regarding election results, FB put up a Politifact "Fact Check" and when the information about Hunter and Joe Biden started emerging, Facebook was quick to either remove them or put up a "Fact Check" that discounted what was actually being reported by News Sources that weren't necessarily conservative in nature.

I think the straw that broke the camels back is that many republicans and Trump supporters believe that the election is being stolen by those on the left. Whether it is true or not is a different story, But a group was created called stop the steal and in a 24 hour period had over 150k people on it and it had almost a 1 million requests that they admins where going through. Facebook shut that group down and called a violence extremist hate group. Facebook did this not once but three time. So while the facts of the case of the democrats stealing the election may or may not be true, Facebook didn't allow for a dissenting opinion. Facebook and twitter both have been on a campaign to silence those on the right. Well they have effectively done so and in the process called for further division in this country not brought us together.

 

[JayF]

seems to be a place where lies and conspiracy theories can thrive unchecked. I'm not sure if it is competition to Facebook or Twitter.

Of course, Twitter is a huge cesspool in its own way.

I would say it is a place where free thought can be had. You don't have to agree with the opinion or facts that are being presented, but it isn't the responsibility of FB or Twitter to tell me or others what we can see or can't see when it comes to facts, opinions, and downright lies that the media portrays. Free speech is free speech. Either we have it or we don't. You can say they are lies and conspiracy theories, but I know many times the truth has been squelched. Many Stories about Hunter Biden have been removed from Facebook and Twitter because they do not like the content. Don't believe me. Go look on other sites that talk about Hunter Biden and his now infamous laptop. FB and Twitter tried to squelch that story on their platforms.

 

[JayF]

Most Alabamians are not Pro-Life. They're anti-abortion, but they're totally fine with state-sanctioned execution of innocent adults. In my view, to be truly Pro-Life, you have to be against both abortion and the death penalty. Many will disagree with my take. That's OK. I have to follow my conscience.

I will always be against abortion and the death penalty. Life is sacred and should be preserved.

I don't know that you could call them all innocent adults. But I do understand your premise here, and over the past 4 years, I have had a change of heart in this topic. I have always been Anti-Abortion. I have in the past been for the execution of individuals who I thought deserved it based on the crimes they committed. However, because of the change I have witnessed in myself, and the change I have witnessed in others, I believe that Jesus Christ died for us all to save us, and that should have been the last execution. He then raised from the dead to take the burden of us all in this sinful world. When we take someone's life that is no longer a harm to society, then we have effectively taken away their chance to Accept Jesus Christ and become saved. It doesn't matter what your past was, it is what your future holds that matters. A person can be reborn in Christ. That doesn't mean they will not have to suffer the consequences by remaining locked up for their life, but it means that their life can be different.

 

[WesL]

#Breaking: President Trump has fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper

 

[JayF]

#Breaking: President Trump has fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper

Ok WOW that is not how you go about telling the public that someone has left office. Whether you released them, they resigned, or whatever happen, you do it with dignity and respect. That was horribly executed. And you wonder why people are struggling with you President Trump.

 

[gangstonc]

I think he has the clueless football coach beat

Not according to our voters.

 

[gangstonc]

I know many people who are going over. and while yes some it does have to do with the election, the main issue is Facebook and Twitters continued censorship of conservative view points. They do not treat political points of view on the right the same as they do on the left. Every time a post was made that was trump related regarding election results, FB put up a Politifact "Fact Check" and when the information about Hunter and Joe Biden started emerging, Facebook was quick to either remove them or put up a "Fact Check" that discounted what was actually being reported by News Sources that weren't necessarily conservative in nature.

I think the straw that broke the camels back is that many republicans and Trump supporters believe that the election is being stolen by those on the left. Whether it is true or not is a different story, But a group was created called stop the steal and in a 24 hour period had over 150k people on it and it had almost a 1 million requests that they admins where going through. Facebook shut that group down and called a violence extremist hate group. Facebook did this not once but three time. So while the facts of the case of the democrats stealing the election may or may not be true, Facebook didn't allow for a dissenting opinion. Facebook and twitter both have been on a campaign to silence those on the right. Well they have effectively done so and in the process called for further division in this country not brought us together.

I haven’t seen Facebook place a fact check tag on something that wasn’t a lie. Why is the right so enamored with conspiracy theories?

 

[JayF]

I haven’t seen Facebook place a fact check tag on something that wasn’t a lie. Why is the right so enamored with conspiracy theories?

I don't believe we are enamored by them. We have been lied to so much by the media and cannot trust what they are saying. Most media outlets are pawns for an agenda and do not tell us the truth. Only what they want us to hear.

 

[gangstonc]

I don't believe we are enamored by them. We have been lied to so much by the media and cannot trust what they are saying. Most media outlets are pawns for an agenda and do not tell us the truth. Only what they want us to hear.

So then why the immediate trust for theories with no factual basis other than they want them to be true?

The Kelly Sorelle incident and the workers copying the damaged ballots are the two most recent ones.

pence lied today about Pfizer being a part of warp speed.

 

[JayF]

So then why the immediate trust for theories with no factual basis other than they want them to be true?

The Kelly Sorelle incident and the workers copying the damaged ballots are the two most recent ones.

But what about the videos that are out there showing the election fraud we are talking about. The major news organizations that have the courage to actually report that there are anomalies in the voting count, and that dead people have actually voted. You see when Major News Outlets do not cover these stories it makes us wonder what are they hiding.

 

[gangstonc]

All of the election fraud videos I have seen have been debunked.
I haven’t seen any proof of dead people voting. Just accusations - conspiracy theories.

 

[ghost]

The Joe Biden Stock Market rally is surging... Dow up over 2000 pts since Wed morning when the country found out that Trump was on his way out and Biden was on his way in. Investors are happy with the change at the top

 

[JayF]

All of the election fraud videos I have seen have been debunked.
I haven’t seen any proof of dead people voting. Just accusations - conspiracy theories.

Then you are not really looking.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article246848202.html

And this is just one of many.

 

[JayF]

Let's just put it this way. If you all who are biden supporters and want him elected and want him elected fairly, What are you afraid of in actually investigating to make sure that all legal votes are counted? I mean if you really feel like Biden was elected, wouldn't you want proof that your guy was elected. It would actually give further evidence that the American People really did decide that Biden was their guy.

Unless that is if your scared of finding out the truth.

 

[gangstonc]

Let's just put it this way. If you all who are biden supporters and want him elected and want him elected fairly, What are you afraid of in actually investigating to make sure that all legal votes are counted? I mean if you really feel like Biden was elected, wouldn't you want proof that your guy was elected. It would actually give further evidence that the American People really did decide that Biden was their guy.

Unless that is if your scared of finding out the truth.

I want it to be Investigated 100%. I’m just tired of seeing the same old debunked videos over and over again.

 

[maroonedinhsv]

Then you are not really looking.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article246848202.html

And this is just one of many.

That article says no fraudulent votes were cast in this case. Sounds like the system worked. I would never argue that fraud wasn’t attempted, I’m certain it was by people on both sides.

 

[JayF]

I want it to be Investigated 100%. I’m just tired of seeing the same old debunked videos over and over again.

Debunked by whom though. I only see LIberal media outlets trying to debunk them. It is like they really do not want the truth to come out. Now that is not to say that every video that comes out is legit. But there are some out there that are. Why in the heck would a poll worker be yelling at all republican supporters to get out of the polling area. Why would that be?

Let's keep an open mind and get to the bottom of it, and if the investigation turns out that the election was not messed with in a way to overturn the election, then so be it. But lets have the truth.

 

[JayF]

That article says no fraudulent votes were cast in this case. Sounds like the system worked. I would never argue that fraud wasn’t attempted, I’m certain it was by people on both sides.

Yes it does say in this case that no fraudulent votes were cast. Can you tell me with 100% honesty that you do not believe that an illegal ballot was cast and counted?

 

[maroonedinhsv]

Let's just put it this way. If you all who are biden supporters and want him elected and want him elected fairly, What are you afraid of in actually investigating to make sure that all legal votes are counted? I mean if you really feel like Biden was elected, wouldn't you want proof that your guy was elected. It would actually give further evidence that the American People really did decide that Biden was their guy.

Unless that is if your scared of finding out the truth.

I honestly believe that Joe Biden is the rightful winner of this election. If any voter fraud did occur, I do not believe it happened on a scale large enough to swing any states. What do you believe?

 

[JayF]

I honestly believe that Joe Biden is the rightful winner of this election. If any voter fraud did occur, I do not believe it happened on a scale large enough to swing any states. What do you believe?

I do not know or claim that there were enough votes cast illegally to overturn the election in Biden's favor. I do find it suspicious some of the activities of the states in question, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada.

A USPS whistleblower has claimed that ballots that were received after election day were postmark back dated to the day of the election so they would count.

Sen. Graham vows to follow-up on affidavit from Penn. postal worker alleging election fraud

Graham says he will look into the allegations in the affidavit, but they have not been substantiated at this time.

www.wistv.com