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2025 Political Thread

Evan said:
Is it Pro-Life to sharply reduce or eliminate funding for TB, malaria, polio, PEPFAR, infant nutrition, and a sundry of other aide that goes to impoverished nations?

I am sure the figures in the recent USAID memos are worst-case scenarios, however, it seems pretty indisputable that a significant number of infants and children will either die -- or suffer debilitating illness/serious injury -- due to the aforementioned cuts.

I'm trying to understand the idealogy of this administration. Ostensibly, the current President is so shaken by the body count of the Ukraine war that he's willing to cater to any Russian demand as long as a ceasefire takes place. Yet one of the first actions the current President took was to re-implement federal executions? And cut aide to infants and babies?

Ahh, nevertheless, he certainly seems like the most Pro-Life President in history. Just ask him! Just seems kind of weird zero political capital has been expended on pushing for a federal abortion ban. Huh. Guess they've been too busy with getting the Trump/Melania crypto coins out there and designing a "strategic reserve" that will use my tax dollars to buy crypto. I'm sure it is a coincidence that numerous campaign donors and family members stand to benefit from such a scheme.

Thank goodness they liberated Andrew Tate from Europe. Nothing says Pro-Life and Conservative values like a self-confessed rapist, sex trafficker, and abuser of young women and minors. Interesting use of political capital versus, say, working out a peace plan for Ukraine that has any other steps other than...Ukraine give Russia everything they want while we lift sanctions and make deals with a mass-murdering dictator. Have to stop the KILLING (i.e. Ukranians defending their homeland and families) -- Putin and Russia killing people, however, is totally fine. Because we might make a beautiful trade deal with them!
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It's not our government's role to take care of the whole world and bankrupt our own country. There's a reason FEMA ran out of supplies.

If you want to help people in impoverished nations, donate your own money to charity.

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Nowhere in the Bible does it say the government is supposed to provide for the poor. It's all up to individuals. In extreme cases it leads to socialist hellholes like Venezuela where everyone is equally miserable and lined up for food.

Yes you gotta feel sorry for the people who will be losing their aid, but that's the problem with rights that come from the government.
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
My mom is Czech and someone who lives in the Czech Republic sent a video that shows the Ukrainians partying in their ski resorts. It appears most of the money is not being used to help with the war.
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Are you contending that the money provided by the US government was used to build the ski resorts or to buy party favors?
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
It's not our government's role to take care of the whole world and bankrupt our own country. There's a reason FEMA ran out of supplies.

If you want to help people in impoverished nations, donate your own money to charity.

www.worldvision.org

Make a lifesaving impact | World Vision

Help make lifesaving impact in the places it’s hardest to be a child.
www.worldvision.org www.worldvision.org

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the government is supposed to provide for the poor. It's all up to individuals. In extreme cases it leads to socialist hellholes like Venezuela where everyone is equally miserable and lined up for food.

Yes you gotta feel sorry for the people who will be losing their aid, but that's the problem with rights that come from the government.
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I’m curious - are you opposed to America’s involvement in the World Wars?
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
It's not our government's role to take care of the whole world and bankrupt our own country.
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People felt strongly like that before WWI and WWII, too.

Then we screwed up big time in Vietnam (and I don't know much about Korea).

I do know that our nation has been, despite its screwups, a model of freedom for the whole world. That's the side that I and a lot of other Americans thought we were on in the Cold War, despite all the imperial presidencies and such stuff.

Now I can't help wondering sometimes (and this goes back to before Trump 1 and 2) whether the two major Cold War opponents cut a deal back in the 80s to let the financially ruinous USSR go and to work together deniably, and at first, very secretly, to rule the world as a double-dose superpower, since no one else can take them on.

That's extremely cynical and therefore not true, but I still wonder sometimes. Absolute power does corrupt absolutely. Our constitutional system is no guarantee of immunity against that eternal disease.

And I do think Jimmy Carter was our last decent president (if that doesn't bring Geno back, nothing will ;) )
 
“Three years ago, SpaceX lost 40 satellites due to their ignorance of space weather implications and upper atmosphere density impacts. They immediately came to NOAA and said, ‘hey, help us out’,” Spinrad said, calling it “an object lesson there for Elon Musk himself” on the agency’s value.

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bjdeming said:
Depressing as that is, it's true.

The Democrats made a big mistake by not giving her even a fig leaf of a primary, and that's too bad because many, who would have voted for her, withheld that vote. (Has anyone run the numbers nationwide to quantify or disprove this statement?)

Those voters also understand that the US is not Europe and our leaders -- as well as the party officials who groom them -- do so only by the will of the people.

Things are bad now, but the country would have been much worse off if that proper American spirit had been absent and we'd gone slip-sliding even farther into parliamentarianism. It cheers me to know these many people are out there.

I think not a few Democrat decision-makers and leaders, as well as most of the 20th-century-mainstream press, go along with the fiction that Trump won by a landslide of votes from the whole American electorate because they are still in denial about this non-vote silent protest, and the Trumpeteers are exploiting that to the max.
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Kamala was a different path towards destruction.

We spend too much. Way too much.
 
maroonedinhsv said:
I’m curious - are you opposed to America’s involvement in the World Wars?
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Fighting in wars is not the same as using our tax dollars to pay for another country's weapons while running out of money to pay for our own citizens who are victims of fires and hurricanes.

When we send money to Israel though to help them fight against a population who has stated multiple times their desire to completely exterminate the Jews, the very same lefties cry "genocide" and cause chaos on college campuses.
 
Αλίμονο σε εκείνους που αποκαλούν το κακό καλό και το καλό κακό, που βάζουν το σκοτάδι στο φως και το φως στο σκοτάδι, που βάζουν το πικρό στο γλυκό και το γλυκό στο πικρό.
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
Fighting in wars is not the same as using our tax dollars to pay for another country's weapons while running out of money to pay for our own citizens who are victims of fires and hurricanes.

When we send money to Israel though to help them fight against a population who has stated multiple times their desire to completely exterminate the Jews, the very same lefties cry "genocide" and cause chaos on college campuses.
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You didn’t answer the question.
 
maroonedinhsv said:
You didn’t answer the question.
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I support America's involvement in the world wars, especially the second one where they were trying to eliminate communism.

Today on the other hand, some of the public schools are teaching little children to be communists, also at the expense of our tax money. The BLM in schools curriculum states that it is anti-capitalist and teaches children to imagine a future society with no police or prisons.
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
I support America's involvement in the world wars, especially the second one where they were trying to eliminate communism.

Today on the other hand, some of the public schools are teaching little children to be communists, also at the expense of our tax money. The BLM in schools curriculum states that it is anti-capitalist and teaches children to imagine a future society with no police or prisons.
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So how is that not taking care of the whole world while negatively impacting our financial standing.

Side note: your ability to deflect into ridiculous talking points is impressive.
 
maroonedinhsv said:
So how is that not taking care of the whole world while negatively impacting our financial standing.

Side note: your ability to deflect into ridiculous talking points is impressive.
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Communism was a threat to America. Putin today is not so much. First take care of your own citizens. Then with whatever money you have left, you can take care of the world. The Democrats do the exact opposite. They prioritize foreigners and illegal immigrants over their own citizens because they believe "America first" is racist. Their motto is "America last".
 
Anti Marine Layer said:
I support America's involvement in the world wars, especially the second one where they were trying to eliminate communism.
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(I am trying really hard not to facepalm right now…)

Are you genuinely confusing WWII with the Cold War? Because last I checked, (starting in 1941) the Soviet Union fought on the side of the Western Allies…

And with only a few exceptions including Vietnam, the Cold War mostly played out like this: the US using taxpayer dollars to fund opposition to communism through USAID. American and Soviet troops never fought directly in any major conflict.
 
TH2002 said:
(I am trying really hard not to facepalm right now…)

Are you genuinely confusing WWII with the Cold War? Because last I checked, (starting in 1941) the Soviet Union fought on the side of the Western Allies…

And with only a few exceptions including Vietnam, the Cold War mostly played out like this: the US using taxpayer dollars to fund opposition to communism through USAID. American and Soviet troops never fought directly in any major conflict.
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My mistake, but in WW II Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and that's why we got involved. We did fight against Nazi Germany and Nazism is simply national socialism. It was a different variety of socialism than Karl Marx created, but just like Marxism it's based on identity politics and it shares some other ideas with Marxism. In Nazism Jews were the enemy and in Marxism the bourgeoisie are the enemy. In Wokeism, also inspired by Marxism, the bourgeoisie are White people, males, heterosexuals, cisgender, conservatives, etc.

We actually did fight in the Korean War though to end communism in South Korea and we also fought in the Vietnam War in attempt to end communism there, but lost. There were also some US troops that fought communism in China.

We sent a lot more money to Ukraine over a short time than we did during the Cold War and at that time our national debt was not so high. This was after already running up the debt by trillions of dollars for a lot of Biden programs after the pandemic that did not really help people. Hurricanes and fires are a much bigger threat to us than Putin today and FEMA ran out of money because it was mostly sent to help illegal immigrants, Ukraine and for other progressive causes. FEMA also refused to help people with Trump signs after the hurricane.
 
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For Ukraine nearly $183 billion was spent so far.

This was after Biden spent a whole lot of money on other progressive causes.

$1.9 trillion in additional spending for COVID relief after Trump already laid down a lot of money for COVID relief
$1.1 trillion for “infrastructure”, which used to mean projects like roads, bridges, and airports, but now includes giveaways like electric car charging stations for Tesla owners
$3.5 trillion in spending on the table for a whole slew of goodies: free child-care, free community college, student loan forgiveness, expanded Medicare and Medicaid, vast subsidies for “green” technology, and on and on

That's more money (adjusted for inflation) than we spent on the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War I, World War II, the Louisiana Purchase, the Transcontinental Railroad, the Interstate highway system, and the Moon Landing combined.

But the left says they’re spending all this money with the best of intentions: the trillions are needed to end hunger and reduce inequality; provide everyone with free health care; and save the planet from global warming.

However as they say "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and "Socialism works fine until the government runs out of other people's money".
 
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