And as for the “why is that not applicable?”, it comes down two things. The first the fact that the “look” of a tornado is a nebulous, non-quantifiable concept that cannot realistically be measured or graded on a scientific manner, and would involve even more human subjectivity than surveying damage. The other issue is the inability to establish strong enough correlation between “look” and damage intensity for “look” to have any statistical weight. For every debris filled, churning, **** your pants stovepipe that caused EF4+ damage, you have your smaller pool of debris filled, churning, **** your pants stovepipes that did not. In addition, you have your smaller pool of dusty bird farts and whispy blobs that slabbed and obliterated homes. While those two pools may be smaller, they are still large enough to make “look” a non-useful concept in the world of tornado intensity estimation.
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Many thanks to whoever took that video and adapted it for a proper aspect ratio.
Not only does it really bring out the details of the tornado and its fury, but I don't have to deal with the eye cancer of being forced to watch a vertical video.
Ozonelayer
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Union City is now rated at 160 MPH
slenker
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Yeah, nothing seems wrong with it to me. I still think it was capable of inflicting violent damage but there wasn't anything to point to such an intensity. There wasn't really much debarking either, which could be because the trees are just coming into springtime now. But it certainly wasn't a higher end event, because it would've debarked said trees regardless of that fact. It's similar to how I viewed Selmer from last year - probably capable of inflicting ~170+ DIs, but just not hitting something which shows said intensity.
Kds86z
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24 Tornadoes total confirmed thus far.
Largest was Beggs,OK EF3 at 950 yards,
Largest was Beggs,OK EF3 at 950 yards,
| Western Beggs to N of Winchester | Okmulgee | OK |
| 01:17–01:29 | 6.8 mi (10.9 km) | 950 yd (870 m) |
| 2 deaths – This intense tornado began on the west side of Beggs, heavily damaging the Beggs Public Schools campus, where roofs on the high school and middle school were significantly damaged and a bus barn sustained major roof and door damage. As it moved northeast, it uprooted and snapped trees and destroyed several outbuildings while entering rural areas. The tornado reached its strongest phase as it continued through nearby residences, completely destroying a single-wide manufactured home and heavily damaging several other homes with roof and window loss. At one homestead, a double-wide manufactured home was destroyed, several vehicles were tossed 20 yd (18 m)–20 yd (18 m), and a barn was demolished, resulting in two fatalities and two injuries. The tornado then crossed SH-75, where it uprooted trees and threw a metal shipping container across the highway before weakening and dissipating.[40 | ||||||
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WeathermanLeprechaun
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NAM solution was wrong as I expected but QLCS tornado threat likely in Dixie on Wednesday.
Kds86z
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Wrong thread? Lol
WeathermanLeprechaun
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Indeed. But tough to tell which thread is what when scrolling thru quick
Kds86z
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Yep ofc. All good
Aaron Rider
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I apologize for not being able to look this up myself but my outdoor job is spotty as far as internet. What is expected and when as far as severe weather in central Pennsylvania tomorrow? Just afternoon thunderstorms?
Kds86z
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Kds86z
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I've said this many times before, but I think the wind speed estimates/ranges on the current EF-scale are significantly too low, especially at the higher end of the scale.
Public schools in Edwardsburg, Michigan, are offering support for students, faculty, and families in the wake of the loss of 12-year-old student Silas Anderson to Friday's Michigan tornadoes:
wwmt.com
Personally, I hope the best for them, as I can easily imagine that they would need it.
Edwardsburg Schools offers support as community mourns loss of sixth-grade student
Starting Monday, support will be available for Edwardsburg Public Schools students, staff and families following the death of classmate Silas Anderson.
wwmt.com
Personally, I hope the best for them, as I can easily imagine that they would need it.
slenker
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Not that I disagree with this take (I fully agree with it, as a matter of fact), but the fact that the scale itself needs to have revamped windspeeds doesn’t equate to these surveys being bad. I know that isn’t what you’re stating either, but it’s worth mentioning at the very least.
The fact of the matter is we have a scale with defined parameters and ways to rate things. The only time a survey is truly bad is if it is wholly inconsistent with said parameters, in one direction (too conservative, countless examples) or the other (too liberal, Newnan 2022). Or, in the case where DIs are outright ignored (Vilonia 2014). I saw none of that from Union City, it fell within the rules quite comfortably. I do still think it could have inflicted violent damage had it struck something well-built enough but it simply did not. We need to be consistent with how we rate things and that’s the EF scale’s biggest issue by far, it varies so drastically from WFO to WFO.
KakashiHatake2000
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