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Have you heard any one of them say something positive about the country ? Their opinions, or a majority of them do show a certain hate and disdain for the country Evan. I just saw the Tweet differently than you. You want to hate everything Trump does or says. You have a built in bias that blurs you vision.

You act as if I've never defended Trump or critisized Democrats. Both things that I've actually done on a number of occasions. Where are your posts critisizing Trump, or defending Democrats? They don't exist.
 

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"Well there's a lot of talk about the fact that she was married to her brother, I know nothing about it, I hear she was married to her brother..I don't know.."

Trump about Ilhan. Good lord he’s an idiot.
 

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She seemed real upset about it

Maybe that's relevant and maybe it's not. Generally speaking, however, most women don't react by pushing someone away or making a big scene. Some don't because they're shocked/frozen, and others don't want to draw attention to something they feel was violating.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181102-why-dont-rape-and-sexual-assault-victims-come-forward

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw04MiJro83QfKw25IYY9083&cshid=1563466533322

I know one thing, I've never randomly grabbed some unknown women's money maker on the dance floor. Has anyone here done so?

I think the point of it is showing that Trump's behavior matches the boasts he made in the Access Hollywood tape. There's several dozen women out there who've claimed Trump groped them or assaulted them on some way. Is there ANYONE who believes that they all made it up? Or that even most of them did? And what about those that told people what Trump did long before he entered politics? What about those that told people about his behavior long before the Access Hollywood tape was released, and the behavior that they told someone about matched what Trump himself claimed to do?

It's possible this lady knew Trump, or that it was consensual. Her reaction, or lack thereof, doesn't inform us as to either of those things.
 

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Maybe that's relevant and maybe it's not. Generally speaking, however, most women don't react by pushing someone away or making a big scene. Some don't because they're shocked/frozen, and others don't want to draw attention to something they feel was violating.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181102-why-dont-rape-and-sexual-assault-victims-come-forward

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw04MiJro83QfKw25IYY9083&cshid=1563466533322

I know one thing, I've never randomly grabbed some unknown women's money maker on the dance floor. Has anyone here done so?

I think the point of it is showing that Trump's behavior matches the boasts he made in the Access Hollywood tape. There's several dozen women out there who've claimed Trump groped them or assaulted them on some way. Is there ANYONE who believes that they all made it up? Or that even most of them did? And what about those that told people what Trump did long before he entered politics? What about those that told people about his behavior long before the Access Hollywood tape was released, and the behavior that they told someone about matched what Trump himself claimed to do?

It's possible this lady knew Trump, or that it was consensual. Her reaction, or lack thereof, doesn't inform us as to either of those things.

Fair point. I drew a conclusion without knowing enough information.
 

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Fair point. I drew a conclusion without knowing enough information.

Look, I agree it's not a damning smoking gun in reference to Trump. It just shows he's comfortable doing that kind of thing. Unless the lady he grabbed comes forward, or is identified and asked, we'll never know if it was consensual. I do believe Trump was divorced and unmarried at that time, so he does have that in his favor.
 

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Considering the past few posts are on Trump's sexual proclivities, it's ironic that the Cohen documents were unsealed this morning.

They prove unequivocally that Trump lied about not knowing that Cohen was paying off Stormy Daniels. It also seems to indicate that Hope Hicks lied to Congress. Trump knew about Cohen's payment to Daniels, and was consulted along each step of the payoff process. He also had knowledge of, and consented to, his company reimbursing Cohen for his illegal campaign contribution. Hard to see how Trump doesn't get indicted if he's not President.

But, I think most honest people knew all of the above. What's more interesting is the description of Cohen using misleading financial statements and documentation to obtain loans, refinance loans, and to negotiate loan restructures. His method of operation is uncannily similar to accusations lenders have made against Trump in court documents, and also almost indistinguishable from statements former Trump execs, vendors, and lenders have made about how Trump operates.

Why has Trump always been able to get away with it while Cohen could not? Seems to indicate Trump is a classic example of either being "too big to fail" or the beneficiary an immense amount of luck. If you're not already aware of it, do some quick research on Trump, bonds, and the New Jersey Casino Control Commission and junk bonds. Trump presented them with fabricated financial statements and repeatedly lied to them, yet by the time they uncovered his falsehoods, they were too embarrassed at being conned, and so desperate for gaming jobs in New Jersey, that they let him get away with it minus a few fines.

Trump's shady business practices in Atlantic City

Thankfully, regulators in Nevada and Pennsylvania saw through Trump's serial fabrications, and refused to grant him a gaming/casino license.

Somehow, though, Trump's consistent history of lying, fabricating, violating the law, and constantly having to be bailed out by the banks (or his father) is seen as a positive by his supporters. It's baffling. Do they not understand how many people could be extremely wealthy if they were willing to violate the law and lacked ethics like Trump does? That's what is so spectacularly illogical. Even though he constantly cheated, lied, violated the law, and operated unethically, most of Trump's major businesses failed NUMEROUS times because he was such a poor businessman. While it's true that a number of wealthy people have engaged in unethical or illegal behavior like Trump, that number pales in comparison to those that earned their fortune honestly and ethically.

I've mentioned this analogy before, but what Matt calls "Trump Derangement Syndrome" I call 419 scam disbelief syndrome. For the uninitiated, 419 scams are your typical "I'm a Nigerian prince/official with a huge fortune I'd like to share with you, but first I need you to send me $$$" scams. I've always been absolutely gobsmacked that so many people have willingly believed in these scams and sent billions of their retirement or savings abroad -- never to be seen again.

Anytime I read a story about such a scam/con I'm left in utter disbelief that anyone found such a preposterous scam to be credible. That's how I feel about Trump. I don't hate the guy. I'm just gobsmacked, and left in utter disbelief that people can't see through his con. I'm left in utter disbelief that they don't notice his constant lies and fabrications. Every single day, I remain in a state of utter disbelief that do many people are willingly allowing themselves to be conned by a serial fabricator and con-artist.

Let me go on record now, I'm not going to be saddened if Trump wins re-election. If the American people are foolish enough to elect Trump again, then they deserve to get what they wanted good and hard. Sure, there will be innocents harmed by that, but hopefully once Trump terms out the people will have learned their lesson. Failing a war or major terrorist attack, however, I don't think Trump will be re-elected. I'd say he has around 5% odds right now at best. His base will turn out for him, but due to the demographics of his base they're a much smaller segment of voters than they were in 2016. Best care scenario for Trump is that he keeps the electoral college somewhat close.
 

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I didn’t realize it was in the video initially. That’s just the kind of things you get with somebody as classless as trump being president.

Or back in the day with Clinton!! He was just as bad about women, he just had a good publicist and hit man!!
(How so many forget or were just too young to understand)

I will say this, as I am a conservative, Trump embarrasses me daily. I never liked him before he entered the political area. His so called “tell it like it is” personality is just the fact that he’s uncouth. I know since he’s been in office that financially, everyone in my circle are better off and he seems to act patriotic, I’ve missed that part of a Republican President. But he doesn’t have half the class of some former Republicans and Democratic Presidents.

And the Dems are looking more and more ridiculous as well! Goodness, if the media (that have been immensely bias, let Trump hang himself, y’all don’t have to put him under a microscope or at least hold back obvious spewing of hate) would bring them to light, it would be like a horror movie coming on instead of an election coming up.

America is getting what we deserve by letting morals go down the toilet because this is the crap we’re left to choose!

However, media, Hollywood and elite are a bunch of political hypocrites, every single one of them are in pictures with Trump, embracing him if not attending one of his weddings!

We need to ask God for forgiveness and pray for Trump that he truly becomes a Christian and a Republican.

Democrats and liberals, don’t high five this post, y’all have lost your ever loving minds plus you’ve forgotten what all you did those 8 years your “messiah” Obama was in office!!
 

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Or back in the day with Clinton!! He was just as bad about women, he just had a good publicist and hit man!!
(How so many forget or were just too young to understand)

I will say this, as I am a conservative, Trump embarrasses me daily. I never liked him before he entered the political area. His so called “tell it like it is” personality is just the fact that he’s uncouth. I know since he’s been in office that financially, everyone in my circle are better off and he seems to act patriotic, I’ve missed that part of a Republican President. But he doesn’t have half the class of some former Republicans and Democratic Presidents.

And the Dems are looking more and more ridiculous as well! Goodness, if the media (that have been immensely bias, let Trump hang himself, y’all don’t have to put him under a microscope or at least hold back obvious spewing of hate) would bring them to light, it would be like a horror movie coming on instead of an election coming up.

America is getting what we deserve by letting morals go down the toilet because this is the crap we’re left to choose!

However, media, Hollywood and elite are a bunch of political hypocrites, every single one of them are in pictures with Trump, embracing him if not attending one of his weddings!

We need to ask God for forgiveness and pray for Trump that he truly becomes a Christian and a Republican.

Democrats and liberals, don’t high five this post, y’all have lost your ever loving minds plus you’ve forgotten what all you did those 8 years your “messiah” Obama was in office!!

Lori, I agree with much of what you said. We knew of Trumps flaws but also knew he could not be bought and thought he could actually turn the country around. And he has. There's more to do of course. He has been the most pro anti abortion president we have ever had and the biggest supporter of Israel we have ever had. We (the country) need to reelect him or the country is doomed!
 

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Lori, I agree with much of what you said. We knew of Trumps flaws but also knew he could not be bought and thought he could actually turn the country around. And he has. There's more to do of course. He has been the most pro anti abortion president we have ever had and the biggest supporter of Israel we have ever had. We (the country) need to reelect him or the country is doomed!
He’s also implemented the most anti-gun agenda despite claiming otherwise since Clinton.
 
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