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Ok so I'm not crazy then, good to know lol, I don't mind EF4 for vegetation damage and have no doubt that it was violent/warranted but I spent forever looking for photos of super high end structural damage there. Clears that up
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Cookeville tornado is getting upgraded to ef4 word just coming inDayton local here. The EF4 rating was very liberal for that tornado. I surveyed the EF4 path segment on my own time. There were no totally collapsed structures in typical EF4 fashion. The rating was mostly based on a massive swath of extreme debarking along the Stillwater River. Based on that, I’d say winds were over 170, but I still feel a little odd about the rating with the lack of real EF4 structural damage.
Cookeville on the other hand is looking like textbook EF4.
Dayton local here. The EF4 rating was very liberal for that tornado. I surveyed the EF4 path segment on my own time. There were no totally collapsed structures in typical EF4 fashion. The rating was mostly based on a massive swath of extreme debarking along the Stillwater River. Based on that, I’d say winds were over 170, but I still feel a little odd about the rating with the lack of real EF4 structural damage.
Cookeville on the other hand is looking like textbook EF4.
Yeah there was a person who wanted EF3 for Beauregard last year.I don't even mind being conservative, it's the massive office to office subjectivity that irritates me. BMX for example seems like they've decided to go an super conservative route lately and some of their own ratings from a decade ago probably wouldn't stand today.
Let’s turn the attention to OHX being slow to warn this going into Putnam County after it dropping a major tornado through a metro area and holding a debris signature over tens of miles.
5 minute lead time for a tornado at 2am? Who can jump up in time from a deep sleep and gather their family and get them to the shelter with a 5 minute lead time? In this case, it appears the case of “little warning” is actually the case. And the death toll of this is a case of a failure by the system that is supposed to prevent this.
Would it be wrong to suggest that southeastern events (and cold season events more generally) are understudied relative to plains/warm season events? This seems to be true to me, at least anecdotally. I’m not suggesting it’s bias or anything—just that they haven’t been studied as deeply for whatever reason.Also, the SPC will have to reevaluate themselves after this system. Cookeville was not even in a 2% tornado probability area, and to my knowledge that area east of Nashville was not under a tornado watch. They have to do a better job of understanding these type of systems.
Not sure what has come out of the Vortex-SE study from a couple of years ago (it may still be ongoing), but there just haven't been many in-the-field studies in the south. The logistics make it more difficult compared to the Plains.Would it be wrong to suggest that southeastern events (and cold season events more generally) are understudied relative to plains/warm season events? This seems to be true to me, at least anecdotally. I’m not suggesting it’s bias or anything—just that they haven’t been studied as deeply for whatever reason.
Two fatalities here, apparently a slabbed house that may have been bolted (check the sill plate near the garage) aaand car tossed around. Tragic violent hallmarks