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9-5-2020 Creek Fire Pyrotornadoes (1 Viewer)


MNTornadoGuy

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Another intense pyrotornado is the 2014 Eiler Fire tornado which was potentially wider and longer-tracked than the Carr one. It completely debarked cedar trees (hundreds were snapped off or uprooted), destroyed an outbuilding, pulled up a buried culvert and scoured 4-5 inches of topsoil. The NWS gave it an EF1 rating despite that it did EF2 damage.
 

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MNTornadoGuy

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New damage photographs from the 2018 Carr pyrotornado. They show mangled/shredded vehicles, uprooted, snapped or debarked trees, a home with all the cinder-blocks removed (probably by the wind) and scoured ground.
 

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New damage photographs from the 2018 Carr pyrotornado. They show mangled/shredded vehicles, uprooted, snapped or debarked trees, a home with all the cinder-blocks removed (probably by the wind) and scoured ground.
I think one of the fatalities from this thing was a firefighter in his truck and both were found around a couple hundred yards or so from the road where they were tossed. What a way to go.

Well, here's a paper on this thing demonstrating evidence that it should be viewed as an actual tornado made of fire, not merely a powerful fire whirl.

 

MNTornadoGuy

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I think one of the fatalities from this thing was a firefighter in his truck and both were found around a couple hundred yards or so from the road where they were tossed. What a way to go.

Well, here's a paper on this thing demonstrating evidence that it should be viewed as an actual tornado made of fire, not merely a powerful fire whirl.

The firefighter's truck was rolled and dragged "only" 40-50 yards though other vehicles near the area where the transmission towers were destroyed were thrown hundreds of yards. The other fatalities from the tornado occurred when the walls of a home were blown out and the roof collapsed.
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Photograph of the concrete footing of one of the towers. Notice how nearly all the soil is removed via ground scouring around the footing. The soil type is rocky dry clay silt so it would probably be pretty hard to scour.
 

buckeye05

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Are we positive that we’re looking at ground scouring in these photos, and not just exposed dusty ground that is typical for this geographical area? I’m skeptical.

With legitimate ground scouring, there is almost always a visible, linear swath of scoured ground among a surrounding area of unscoured ground, with a fairly sharp contour visible between the two when viewed from the air. I don’t see that here.
 

MNTornadoGuy

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Are we positive that we’re looking at ground scouring in these photos, and not just exposed dusty ground that is typical for this geographical area? I’m skeptical.

With legitimate ground scouring, there is almost always a visible, linear swath of scoured ground among a surrounding area of unscoured ground, with a fairly sharp contour visible between the two when viewed from the air. I don’t see that here.
The scour path is visible, here are some photographs of it. Note the contrast between the darker ground outside the tornado’s path and the lighter (scoured) ground within the tornado’s path.
 

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MNTornadoGuy

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I’ve done a bit more digging on the Eiler Fire tornado and now I’m convinced that is it one of the strongest tornadoes in West Coast history. The forest and ground damage is very intense, comparable to high-end tornadoes in Dixie and the Plains. These photographs show debarked trees, intense ground scouring and a buried culvert that was pulled up. This tornado traveled for 2 miles and had a max width of 1150 yards.
 

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buckeye05

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I’ve done a bit more digging on the Eiler Fire tornado and now I’m convinced that is it one of the strongest tornadoes in West Coast history. The forest and ground damage is very intense, comparable to high-end tornadoes in Dixie and the Plains. These photographs show debarked trees, intense ground scouring and a buried culvert that was pulled up. This tornado traveled for 2 miles and had a max width of 1150 yards.
Extremely impressive tree damage there. Legitimate debarking for sure.
 
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