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2025 Atlantic Hurricane Season

Someone posted this on another forum:

TO ALL BEARISH POSTERS AND WX METS:

The MDR has been rapidly warming during the last two weeks!

  • June 25: 26.76C (0.00C anomaly)
  • July 10: 27.33C (0.38C anomaly)
It's currently getting close to the +0.60C value we had in 2020 (YES, the spam year) at this time of the year.

Give it another two weeks of similar warming, wed be around the same level as 2005 (one of my analogs along with 2005, 2017, 1996, 2021).
 
This guy is actually pretty based:

34 minutes ago, BarryStantonGBP said:
right here we go again lads



i see the s2k lot are still banging on about their “mixed signals” and there are even those on stormiest cherry-picking years like 2013 out of thin air — absolute bollocks if you ask me.

now i see ustropics and his mates are wheeling out the composite charts and parroting the “composite average of the to 10 ace years” line like it means something in a real-life season. let me be clear: composites are for people who can’t handle nuance and want a mushy middle ground that doesn’t reflect reality. you might as well take a pint of every beer in the pub, mix it together, and say it tastes like “the average british lager.” it’s pure cope.



we get they've got a “professional-met” badge but acting like blending together a bunch of rando “top 10 ace” years doesn't necessarily give you some oracular vision. mate, all your composite proves is you know how to use numpy.mean, not that you understand what actually drives an active season. blending 2004, 2005, 2020, and 2017 together just smooths out every real signal, like pureeing your roast dinner in a nutribullet and calling it cuisine. storms don’t care about your composite, they care about the actual synoptic set-up in real analog years.



let me just break this down for yous properly since clearly none of those lot can read a bloody map innit



first of all let’s have a gander at these SST anomalies, shall we? look at your own maps—ive even bloody uploaded them right here for ya. compare 2004 to 2025. almost spot on. kuroshio current warm, canary current warm, cool gulf stream tongue, and your enso cold tongue—there’s your teleconnection skeleton for ya. identical mate. absolutely identical. your eyes struggling? go spec-savers then

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right lets talk geopotential heights since you lot love that fancy terminology—again, look at the maps ive given ya. 2004 vs 2025 again. spot the difference? barely any. you’ve got your trough in europe, negative heights N Atl and NE Pac—classic azores weak high set-up. slightly deeper trough this year actually so even MORE bullish if you know what you’re looking at—which clearly most of yous don’t

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zonal winds at 850mb—have a look at the images ive so kindly provided again—classic 2004 dipole pattern with your easterlies going strong across ITCZ subtropics again. stronger easterlies this year if anything. translation: LESS early-season shear this year, more opportunity for storms. simples innit?

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now lets talk about the rainfall anomalies—yes yes, the one bloody difference you lot have latched onto like a drowning man onto driftwood. “ohhh but the Caribbean’s dry”—yeah right, have you ever looked at historical weeklies or are you just copy-pasting from some NOAA composite? if you bothered to look properly, you’d see this dry Caribbean bollocks is just a timing issue, happens every other big season before the monsoon and MJO surge in july. ive even included 2020 as proof—a notoriously active year that started dry in the Caribbean as well. your “dry Caribbean” is literally just waiting for the MJO to flip the switch mid-july. watch and learn



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and for the 2013 comparison over on stormcast—what absolute rubbish, who pulled that one out of their arse? 2013 had cold MDR SSTs, warm subtropics, westerlies blowing all over the bloody tropics, a huge euro ridge blocking vorticity. completely opposite to 2025—use your eyes for goodness sake. it’s not even close to being in the same ballpark let alone solar system. comparing 2025 to 2013 is like comparing apples to cabbages

look—2004 delivered 15 named storms, 9 hurricanes, 6 bloody majors, ACE of 227, and four US landfalling majors. i didnt just pull these numbers out my backside—its literally history. same pattern this year, same setup, and the atmosphere is MORE favourable this time around, not less

my forecast is 17-10-4/5, ACE 190—and I bet you I would be labelled bullish. those lot stuck in your NOAA and CSU echo chambers are the bearish boomers here, hanging onto composites that hide the real story. if you think my forecast is “bullish” you’ve got another thing coming—im just calling it how it is, based on historical precedent, real patterns, and actual atmospheric dynamics—not NPC seasonal composites or broken models

wake up and smell the coffee, lads—2004 is your clean analog, your “mixed signals” is cope, and your “dry Caribbean” claim is about to get utterly shredded when the MJO flips later this month

mark my words, ill be back in september to remind ya when the first Cape Verde monster spins up and all you mixed-signal merchants scatter faster than roaches when the lights flick on

absolute state of forecasting these days—stick to your Netflix subscriptions and retirement homes if you cant keep up, leave the real forecasting to those of us who can actually see past composite means and NOAA’s “mixed signal” fantasies

rant over, and god save the bloody king



This is in response to this s2k user claim:


and this stormcast user:
 
More of his claims
Thoughts? @KakashiHatake2000 @Wazim Khan @Atlantic @JPWX @Lake Martin EF4
This guy is actually pretty based:

33 minutes ago, BarryStantonGBP said:


tldr: look at the pics i posted. you want receipts? i’ve got them:

  • ssta 2004 vs 2025: basically one-for-one on every global teleconnection that matters—cold tongue, warm kuroshio, warm canary, cool gulf stream tongue, the whole shebang. only meaningful difference is a slightly less amped ENSO box (but spatial footprint is identical).
  • 500mb heights: negative north atlantic/positive ridge in nw pacific, euro trough, even the amplitude is 10–15m stronger in 2025. this is NOT a “mixed” or “confused” state; it’s a classic pattern that opens the mdr in july/aug.
  • 850mb zonal wind: 2025’s got even stronger easterlies across the ITCZ and eastern atlantic than 2004. you can see the subtropical jet setting up the early wave train survival conditions.
  • precip: i’ll give you one—caribbean is dry in may 2025 vs 2004. but here’s the rub: 2004’s caribbean went green after may, with the mjo pulse in july flipping the script. same signal is showing up for this year (see euro weeklies, july mjo inbound). so, the only thing your “composite” is flagging is a temporary lag, not a brick wall.


and now you’ve got these model simps acting like it’s 2013 all over again. get to specsavers mate:

  • 2013 had cold mdr, warm subtropics, persistent positive 850mb westerly anomaly across the deep tropics (shear guillotine), and a euro ridge/ne-pac ridge that shut down vorticity. none of that is in play for 2025. not even close.
  • 2025 is literally painting the same pre-season canvas as 2004, which—reminder—delivered 6 majors and ace near 230, not some washed-out 2013 flop.


about relying on “traditional models”—are we still pretending these things have skill past 5 days, let alone months out? how many times do we have to watch the same csu/noaa/ukmet parade get pantsed by reality before we admit the emperor’s got no clothes? they chase composites and ensemble means, but can’t see the actual synoptic pattern unfolding under their nose. weather doesn’t care about your python scripts or your github repo. show me a model that nailed the timing and location of landfalls last year. oh wait, you can’t.

composites are for people who are scared to make a call. if you want to “average out” the signal, you’ll always see “mixed” because that’s what happens when you blur out all the structure. but you look at actual years—like 2004—and stack up every large-scale lever (ssts, heights, zonal wind, rainfall)—and it’s obvious: the levers are cocked for a proper atlantic rager.

so stop cherry-picking, stop hiding behind composite copium, and stop acting like the models have any real predictive power for seasonal skill.

2004 is the analog, 2025 is the set-up, and if you want to wait for a model to tell you it’s “active” you’ll be left holding your own Atmospheric Anti-Climax forecast when the mdr lights up.

and if you’re still not convinced, go back to the pics i posted. you’ll see every driver lining up except the caribbean box in may—which, again, flips anyway as soon as the monsoon fires up. no amount of spreadsheeting or composite averaging can erase the fact that the real synoptic features are all lined up for another major season.

so crack open a can of stella and watch the bearish lot and composite-copers try to explain it all away when the waves start rolling.

9 minutes ago, BarryStantonGBP said:
now, let’s talk about models. these are the same clowns who had 2013 going ape and then it flatlined, or 2017 where everyone spent July 2017 crying about “weak storms” and then irma/maria/harvey dropped a fat deuce on the entire basin (see the screenshots from the s2k doomers). you’d think by now they’d have learned — but no, they’re still here, hiding behind their “professional” tag and “seasonal skill” copes

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even the bloody rainfall precip was predicted in July 2017 to be dry as me neighbour's Yorkshire roast for ASO, exactly where we are in July 2025, low precip for ASO

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and this 2013 analog nonsense? complete delusion. 2013 had a cold mdr, positive 850mb westerly anomalies, and a torchy subtropics, literally the opposite of what’s in play this year. pull up the 2013 ssta screenshot (dylan’s post) — you can see it’s dogshit for the mdr, pure wall-to-wall stability. not even close to 2025.



sst anomalies: July 2013/2017/2025

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muh cold mdr

muh cold caribbean





now, look at the july 2025 sst anomaly - the last pic: basically a 2017 repeat, except the cold tongue is even further north, which is what you want for majors, not a “brick wall” like 2013. your own receipts prove you wrong



now we compare canary current and the eastern atlantic; 2017 vs 2025

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(last pic was 11th July 2025 right in the middle of this bloody heatwave)



so what do you get if you actually pay attention to the analog?



  • every major driver (sst, heights, low-level wind, monsoon) matches 2004 almost perfectly
  • caribbean rainfall lag is just a may artifact, always flips by mid-july, see the weeklies
  • s2k forum doomers and stormiest types were all saying “mixed signals” in 2017 and it still went nuclear
  • models only matter if you pick the right analogs — otherwise, you get “mixed signals” and clown forecasts




tl;dr:



  • composites = cope, blend the signal to mush
  • actual analog (2004) = almost identical to 2025, except 2025 is even more bullish
  • caribbean dryness is timing, not structure — mjo pulse already on the horizon
  • anyone invoking 2013 as an analog is just admitting they never looked at the actual sst structure
  • receipts don’t lie, so keep them handy for august when the boomers and the pro-mets get mogged




oh, and the last screenshot? go compare the july 2025 sst to 2017. both have the mdr blazing, none of the cold brick 2013 energy the doomers want you to see. it’s all there in the images. keep coping with your “composites,” but the real hurricane season is going to trump your averages off the map.
 

Mainstream seasonal outlooks​


Agency / GroupIssue date (2025)Named stormsHurricanesMajor (Cat 3+)ACENotes
NOAA CPC22 May13 – 196 – 103 – 595 – 18060 % chance of above-normal NOAAWorld Meteorological Organization
NOAA-AOML explainer22 Maysame as aboveprobability ranges reiterated aoml.noaa.gov
CSU spring (Phil Klotzbach)12 Apr1794155first extended-range forecast tropical.colostate.edu
CSU June update6 Jun1794155 (unch.)
CSU July re-forecast8 Jul1683150 (down a notch)
Tropical Storm Risk (TSR) – April7 Apr1473120“near-normal” season tropicalstormrisk.com
TSR – July update8 Jul1573126slight trim vs. April tropicalstormrisk.com
UK Met Office21 May169415470 % range 9-23 / 5-13 / 1-7 Met Office
The Weather Company (IBM/Weather.com)17 Apr1994“well-above average” The Weather Channel
AccuWeather26 Mar13 – 187 – 103 – 5warns of multiple U.S. landfalls AccuWeatherReddit
North Carolina State Univ.15 Apr12 – 156 – 82 – 3historical Gulf breakdown included NC State News
UPenn Climate Dynamics23 Apr10 – 18 (best-guess 14)statistical analogue set Wikipedia
Servicio Meteorológico Nacional (Mexico)7 May13 – 176 – 83 – 4first cross-border official outlook Wikipedia
University of Arizona17 Jun1773-


Alternative / LRC + Numerology forecasts​


SourceIssue dateNamedHurricanesMajorsCat 5ACEMethod
Weather 20/20 / Gary Lezak8 Apr20125180Strict LRC cycle only
Looksmax.org10 Apr201163180 – 225LRC + numerology + Vedic astro
Lipstick Alley21 Nov 20241694~165Universal-Year-9 numerology
TalkWeather – ChatGPT O3 run9 Jul171042190 ± 15LRC windows + name numerology
TalkWeather – Gemini Pro run9 Jul16962235Same dataset, different LLM
† Lipstick Alley thread calls Humberto a “lock” for Cat 5 but doesn’t publish a basin-wide Cat 5 count; only peak winds for four majors.

Quick pattern take-aways​

  • Storm counts: Mainstream consensus hovers 15 – 17 storms; alt-forecasts explode to 20+.
  • Majors: Institutions cluster at 3 – 5; LRC/num forecasts push 5–6 majors, with multiple Cat 5s.
  • ACE: Official ranges top out near 180 units; Looksmax & the Gemini run happily exceed 200.
  • Cat 5 hype: Only Gary Lezak, Looksmax, and the TalkWeather AI runs explicitly predict two or more Category 5 landfalls—none of the mainstream offices do.
  • Dating: The most recent mainstream numbers (NOAA 22 May, TSR 8 Jul, CSU 8 Jul) still stop well short of the ultra-hyperactive alternative outlooks issued in early–mid July 2025.

In other words, every model agrees 2025 is lively—just how insane depends on whether you trust ENSO/SST physics or the LRC-numerology rabbit hole.
 
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Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
200 PM EDT Sat Jul 12 2025

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of America:

1. Near the Southeastern U.S.:
A broad area of low pressure could form over the next several days
offshore of the southeastern U.S. coast. Environmental conditions
could become marginally conducive for the gradual development of
this system by mid to late next week as the system moves generally
westward across the Florida Peninsula and over the eastern and
north-central portion of the Gulf.
Regardless of development, heavy rainfall is possible over portions
of the Florida Peninsula and southeast U.S. coast through mid to late
next week (and y’all better stock up on Hot Cheetos, I am NOT playing).


Forecaster Papin/Mahoney/Jackson
 
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