Archive 2017-2019 Political Thread

[Evan]

Im not defending Democrats who think the second amendment should be abolished, but I read on CNN yesterday about the heroic actions of the school resource officer which also included the NRA's position that the "good guy with a gun" stopped the gunman. So you saying there's "nothing regarding yesterday's incident" is entirely false. Both sides were well represented from what I personally read as a casual news observer.

Re-read who he specifically said wasn't talking about the incident and that a "good guy with a gun" stopped the threat.

 

[KoD]

I've been reading his posts for weeks, his accounts of the media ignoring stories about the thwarted high school bombing to the recent tragedy shooting. I googled the CNN panel on gun violence and found nothing but a town hall with Parkland students and other vaguely related videos. After reading CNN several times a day and not knowing anything of this panels existence, why is it that I've interpreted his several recent posts as representing CNN as gun grabber left wing media? I feel like that is a title more geared towards MSNBC.

 

[Kory]

I've been reading his posts for weeks, his accounts of the media ignoring stories about the thwarted high school bombing to the recent tragedy shooting. I googled the CNN panel on gun violence and found nothing but a town hall with Parkland students and other vaguely related videos. After reading CNN several times a day and not knowing anything of this panels existence, why is it that I've interpreted his several recent posts as representing CNN as gun grabber left wing media? I feel like that is a title more geared towards MSNBC.

This is why I associated such harsh adjectives with CNN. If you didn't watch their sham of a discussion panel on Parkland, I suggest you go do and it explains your confusion as to why I'm so heavily critical of CNN. It was the most embarrassing display of a journalistic entity attempting to appear unbiased.

At least MSNBC doesn't pretend to be bipartisan.

 

[KoD]

This is why I associated such harsh adjectives with CNN. If you didn't watch their sham of a discussion panel on Parkland, I suggest you go do and it explains your confusion as to why I'm so heavily critical of CNN. It was the most embarrassing display of a journalistic entity attempting to appear unbiased.

At least MSNBC doesn't pretend to be bipartisan.

If you could link it I'd be very appreciative because I can't find it after a few Google searches - unless you're speaking of the parkland Town Hall which I didn't watch because the discussion is likely heavily anti-gun and biased since it is centered around teenagers who were involved in a school shooting spree mass murder.

CNN is far from unbiased, as is fox (who also claims to be fair and balanced) and so is MSNBC. In fact, there's very few news organizations that I've run across that have only a few instances of bias on a yearly basis.

 

[Kory]

If you could link it I'd be very appreciative because I can't find it after a few Google searches.

CNN is far from unbiased, as is fox (who also claims to be fair and balanced) and so is MSNBC. In fact, there's very few news organizations that I've run across that have only a few instances of bias on a yearly basis.

 

[Kory]

Not to mention, CNN has repeatedly championed the disproven statistic of # of school shootings in 2018. When you purposely distort facts, that isn't a good look.

 

[KoD]

I'm still watching but initial impressions are that CNN is hosting an event in which congressional and government leaders went on to address questions from students & faculty regarding gun legislation and the events. Why is CNN the bad guy here? I'll watch more and see if CNN plays into the dialogue.

 

[Kory]

I'm still watching but initial impressions are that CNN is hosting an event in which congressional and government leaders went on to address questions from students & faculty regarding gun legislation and the events. Why is CNN the bad guy here? I'll watch more and see if CNN plays into the dialogue.

They permitted pro gun-control guests on there to routinely call Rubio and Dana Loesch murderers as well as attack millions of NRA members saying they have "blood of [her] fellow classmates on their hands" or something very similar to that extent. That's not how you run a respectful townhall. Jake Tapper protected Sen Nelson from harsh questions, but not Dana Loesch. That's absolute biased BS.

 

[KoD]

Not to mention, CNN has repeatedly championed the disproven statistic of # of school shootings in 2018. When you purposely distort facts, that isn't a good look.

Again I'd like to see more... As a casual reader I see charts like this:

Just a couple quick-grab examples.
I haven't seen anything that embellishes the truth as far as gun violence and graphics goes... But again I don't watch the live TV version, I just read the news online.

 

[Kory]

Again I'd like to see more... As a casual reader I see charts like this:

Just a couple quick-grab examples.
I haven't seen anything that embellishes the truth as far as gun violence and graphics goes... But again I don't watch the live TV version, I just read the news online.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/20/cnn-anchor-false-school-shooting-stat/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.59016c945476

They are distorting facts, plain and simple.

 

[KoD]

CNN stated straight up

• "We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met"

 

[Kory]

CNN stated straight up

• "We included accidental discharge of a firearm as long as the first two parameters are met"

Because that makes total sense to include with something like Parkland.

 

[gangstonc]

George Nader was granted immunity. That’s a YUGE deal.

 

[Kory]

What a bastion of excellent journalism. The examples are endless of CNN permitting distorted or flat out made up stuff to advance an agenda.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/2760...new-term-full-semi-automatic-ar-james-barrett

However, at one point in his demonstration of how the gun operates, Lt. Hertling says he is going to use the gun in "full semi-automatic" mode. CNN follows his statement by stating that the AR-15 is "a weapon designed to inflict maximum damage."

 

[KoD]

CNN is no bastion of news perfection for sure, but nit picking small flaws in the verbage used on the air is something you can do with any news organization. I'm glad it happens though because it's important to identify bias, but it's not really an effective means of expressing a rationale to support gun ownership legislation.
I for one believe it's far too late for gun laws to prevent firearms from getting into the wrong hands, and would take decades to really have any meaningful impact on gun deaths.. but I certainly can sympathize with those who believe we should tighten laws regarding gun sales.
I really don't know what we can do to help curb gun deaths, but I support people who are trying to think of things vs. those who simply reject all of it and don't have a constructive idea to add to the conversation.

 

[Kory]

CNN is no bastion of news perfection for sure, but nit picking small flaws in the verbage used on the air is something you can do with any news organization. I'm glad it happens though because it's important to identify bias, but it's not really an effective means of expressing a rationale to support gun ownership legislation.
I for one believe it's far too late for gun laws to prevent firearms from getting into the wrong hands, and would take decades to really have any meaningful impact on gun deaths.. but I certainly can sympathize with those who believe we should tighten laws regarding gun sales.
I really don't know what we can do to help curb gun deaths, but I support people who are trying to think of things vs. those who simply reject all of it and don't have a constructive idea to add to the conversation.

That wasn't a live segment. That was something filmed prior, went to the station, edited, and then decided it was good enough for broadcasting. That's the kind of stuff I have no patience for. It's sort of like if there was a weather segment on lightning and they were interviewing a so-called "expert" who started rambling on about heat lightning. HUGE red flag for obvious reasons (it doesn't exist). I'm going to scrutinize everything forward from that. And given prior history of the station, it's hard to think this was a mistake.

Gun deaths have been on the decline for a few decades now. We have a perception that its rapidly increasing because media coverage/social meda/ etc have allowed it to permeate nearly every platform. We can't escape it. Even non-fatal firearm crimes have declined significantly in previous decades. This is all despite an increase in gun ownership. No, I'm not trying to directly connect more guns = less crime, and correlation doesn't equal causation. But a large talking point is that more guns are bad. The data doesn't seem to support that whatsoever. Obviously, one death of an innocent person by firearm is too much, but considering how many guns we have per capita in this country, and with it continually increasing, I can't say we are doing that bad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ited-states-heres-why/?utm_term=.caf54a53dca5

As far as supporting those who are thinking of things to help make Americans safer, I'm all for that. We had a debate weeks ago on here on what measures would likely help and what measures are useless. But I'm to the point now, I'm pretty much sick of the demonization of gun owners, NRA members, pro 2nd Amendment citizens/politicians. I'm not compromising anymore. I'm not open to debate anymore. No one wants to have a rational discussion outside this forum. The media is promoting lies. We have people conflating experience with a tragedy to expertise. That's not how this works.

 

[Evan]

Reddit has now banned /gundeals a subreddit that allowed users to post links to retail sales of gun accessories, optics, ammunition, and firearms. It's essentially like they banned a site like /buildapcsales but for firearms and firearm accessories. No guns were EVER sold on the subreddit nor were individuals allowed to advertise any firearm or product for sale. It was strictly links and comments about gun deals at places like Palmetto State Armory, Brownells, SG ammo, etc.

Any firearm that was purchased was purchased from an online retailer which require said firearm to be shipped to a FFL for transfer to the purchaser. That requires a full background check through NICs (unless you have a valid and active concealed carry license in some states).

Basically, they banned a subreddit that simply posted hot deals for a legal product being purchased legally because they said they don't want to encourage firearms transactions.

I didn't believe in the idea of a true culture war, but with what YouTube has done recently, Reddit, Walmart, Dick's, etc how can I not believe it? We are being told purchasing a legal item with a rich cultural heritage is EVIL and shouldn't even be allowed to be discussed because some people don't like the product.

They also banned subreddits that allow beer and cigars to be traded after they were called out for hypocrisy. Even a lot of pro-gun control liberals are speaking out saying it's a step way too far. This is about disallowing people from being able to discuss and exercise a core Constitutional right. We've seen the exact same thing with free speech. This country is in a very dangerous place.

 

[Kory]

 

[Evan]

I always thought Biden would've beaten Trump. This proves it. He gets under Trump's skin almost like no one else.

 

[Kory]

Reddit has now banned /gundeals a subreddit that allowed users to post links to retail sales of gun accessories, optics, ammunition, and firearms. It's essentially like they banned a site like /buildapcsales but for firearms and firearm accessories. No guns were EVER sold on the subreddit nor were individuals allowed to advertise any firearm or product for sale. It was strictly links and comments about gun deals at places like Palmetto State Armory, Brownells, SG ammo, etc.

Any firearm that was purchased was purchased from an online retailer which require said firearm to be shipped to a FFL for transfer to the purchaser. That requires a full background check through NICs (unless you have a valid and active concealed carry license in some states).

Basically, they banned a subreddit that simply posted hot deals for a legal product being purchased legally because they said they don't want to encourage firearms transactions.

I didn't believe in the idea of a true culture war, but with what YouTube has done recently, Reddit, Walmart, Dick's, etc how can I not believe it? We are being told purchasing a legal item with a rich cultural heritage is EVIL and shouldn't even be allowed to be discussed because some people don't like the product.

They also banned subreddits that allow beer and cigars to be traded after they were called out for hypocrisy. Even a lot of pro-gun control liberals are speaking out saying it's a step way too far. This is about disallowing people from being able to discuss and exercise a core Constitutional right. We've seen the exact same thing with free speech. This country is in a very dangerous place.

Videos of how to make meth are still available for viewing on YouTube. I swear if these people didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.