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Severe WX December 10 & 11, 2021 Severe Threat
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eric11
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This was absolutely insane...one of the most violent ground scouring I've ever seen
brianc33710
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Yeah this looks like Hackelburg-Phil Campbell after the April 2011 Superoutbreak. That of course was another EF5 (maybe I shouldn't assume yet though) that traveled over 100 mi. The Bham & Huntsville NWS used the phrase "relative maximum/well into EF5 damage" as the tornado tracked thru Oak Grove.
gangstonc
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I see track marks on the ground. Looks to be machine made.
atrainguy
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Scrolling through FB this morning and I saw this post:
eric11
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The first pic might have taken after some clean was done, while the second one definitely not.
eric11
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Maybe MEG is dead, Maybe EF rating system is dead, I' d more likely to believe they all die.
Casuarina Head
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Maybe MEG’s survey teams should be privatised?
SilentShadow87
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That's just ridiculous. Even if that house was completely unanchored it literally is not within the parameters of the scale to rate that kind of damage below EF3. Was that house made out of cardboard?
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Some drone footage of Samburg.
Casuarina Head
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At this rate, maybe someone should devise a private (E)F-scale database to replace the official version and apply better ratings to past and present tornadoes.
Equus
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Oh so now leveled/partly swept houses aren't even getting EF3 I see; don't even have the words for that
Casuarina Head
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Is there any way to “name and shame” whoever is responsible for assigning these ratings, especially by bringing in qualified input from outsiders?
Equus
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It would indeed be nice to have some sort of private rating system with unofficial comments and analysis, perhaps kind of like Grazulis does, because it's becoming clear the race to break the lower bound end of any and every damage indicator is heating up
Isn't the standard to go by the expected values until you evaluate the structures and targets that were hit close up?
Equus
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The issue is always defaulting to the lowest bound possible instead of the expected, then rarely shifting it up; have become genuinely surprised to see the expected values used to rate things
And in some cases, they've even gone below that???
Also, is there anyway the national NWS headquarters can get involved with this?