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rolltide_130 said:
The biggest takeaway is that we may be beginning to see the alt-left collapse on itself. A whopping 43% of DEMOCRATS rated the speech favorably, as well as 71% of moderates/independents. If Trump can make it through year 2 with more progress on his campaign promises but cut out the controversial remarks, the GOP may see some big gains once midterms roll around.
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That was for only those who watched. So not really indicative of a whole heck of a lot.
 
Matt Grantham said:
That was for only those who watched. So not really indicative of a whole heck of a lot.
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The biggest takeaway for me is that those who DID choose to watch it came away probably thinking it wasn't nearly as bad as it was. I watched it in full and had much lower expectations going in than what actually occurred. Trump actually seemed coherent for once, which was a change.

Granted, with my earlier statement, the GOP has to actually put forth good, strong candidates this year to make those gains. Moderate republicans like me are NOT going to vote for Roy Moore, and will gladly swing left if the republican candidate is that bad.
 
Kory said:
Not sure what is worse, plagiarism or the fact that someone actually follows Gutierrez.

At least use the friggin quotation if you're gonna steal terrible jokes from a vehemently anti-American shill.
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I don’t know who Louis Gutierrez is, but I thought it was funny. It was all over the Internet last night.
 
rolltide_130 said:
The biggest takeaway for me is that those who DID choose to watch it came away probably thinking it wasn't nearly as bad as it was. I watched it in full and had much lower expectations going in than what actually occurred. Trump actually seemed coherent for once, which was a change.

Granted, with my earlier statement, the GOP has to actually put forth good, strong candidates this year to make those gains. Moderate republicans like me are NOT going to vote for Roy Moore, and will gladly swing left if the republican candidate is that bad.
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This is exactly how I feel. He gave a big speech similar to a SOTU last year that he did a very good job with. He is a fairly capable speaker with adequate preparation and the right message.
 
rolltide_130 said:
The biggest takeaway is that we may be beginning to see the alt-left collapse on itself. A whopping 43% of DEMOCRATS rated the speech favorably, as well as 71% of moderates/independents. If Trump can make it through year 2 with more progress on his campaign promises but cut out the controversial remarks, the GOP may see some big gains once midterms roll around.
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When you have people leading the Democratic Party like they do, they should be concerned about midterms. You have Nancy Pelosi trying to convince families that an extra couple thousand dollars in their pockets are crumbs. You have Bernie Sanders inaudibly screeching about successful Venezuela and hollering about socialism and free crap every turn. You have leftist political pundits from CNN, MSNBC, etc. playing identity politics nonstop and everything is white nationalism and racist. Apparently, the USA chant at the end of the SOTU was scary nationalism? They don't want to unite, they want to divide....and that was crystal clear under Obama. Their platform hasn't changed.

And oh, Hillary Clinton is still very actively involved with Democrats. They will think all they need to do is keep wailing about how terrible Trump is and Russia and #Resist. But really, Trump won because he ISN'T Clinton. He generated support because people don't like the ideals that the Democrats put up. "America" and "we" were common words Trump used....better than the "I" Obama pontificated to us. I actually enjoy not feeling like I get lectured to every time the president speaks.
 
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Kory said:
When you have people leading the Democratic Party like they do, they should be concerned about midterms. You have Nancy Pelosi trying to convince families that an extra couple thousand dollars in their pockets are crumbs. You have Bernie Sanders inaudibly screeching about successful Venezuela and hollering about socialism and free crap every turn. You have leftist political pundits from CNN, MSNBC, etc. playing identity politics nonstop and everything is white nationalism and racist. Apparently, the USA chant at the end of the SOTU was scary nationalism? They don't want to unite, they want to divide....and that was crystal clear under Obama. Their platform hasn't changed.

And oh, Hillary Clinton is still very actively involved with Democrats. They will think all they need to do is keep wailing about how terrible Trump is and Russia and #Resist. But really, Trump won because he ISN'T Clinton. He generated support because people don't like the ideals that the Democrats put up. "America" and "we" were common words Trump used....better than the "I" Obama pontificated to us. I actually enjoy not feeling like I get lectured to every time the president speaks.
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You're blaming left wing media for doing the exact same thing right wing media does? And I'm pretty sure democrats don't have a secret agenda to purposefully divide and ruin the country.
I also remember Obama saying "we" and "together" very often.
If you think wailing about Trump and Russia is some kind of poor sportsmanship, then you must've been really ticked off when you heard all the things the right, far right, alt right had to say about Obama. Kenyan, being a gorilla, being a Muslim to name just a few of the most egregious. The left and right aren't as different as you think they are when it comes to harassment and playing dirty.
 
KoD said:
You're blaming left wing media for doing the exact same thing right wing media does? And I'm pretty sure democrats don't have a secret agenda to purposefully divide and ruin the country.
I also remember Obama saying "we" and "together" very often.
If you think wailing about Trump and Russia is some kind of poor sportsmanship, then you must've been really ticked off when you heard all the things the right, far right, alt right had to say about Obama. Kenyan, being a gorilla, being a Muslim to name just a few of the most egregious. The left and right aren't as different as you think they are when it comes to harassment and playing dirty.
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Ah, whataboutism at its finest.

And you're right, Dems don't have a secret agenda. They're pretty open with their identity politics. Didn't work in 2016...won't work in 2018 and beyond. Regarding Obama and the epithets regarding his ethnicity, it got absolutely old. I mean, even the guy who he was running against, McCain, called out his OWN supporters over it.
 
Kory said:
Ah, whataboutism at its finest.

And you're right, Dems don't have a secret agenda. They're pretty open with their identity politics. Didn't work in 2016...won't work in 2018 and beyond. Regarding Obama and the epithets regarding his ethnicity, it got absolutely old. I mean, even the guy who he was running against, McCain, called out his OWN supporters over it.
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Nah it's not whataboutism, it's about how hypocritical your statements were.
 
Kory said:
The Nunes Memo is pretty damning.
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You're kidding, right? Unless you mean it is damning to the chances that anyone ever takes Nunes seriously again.

Nunes misquoted Comey. Likely misquoted McCabe. Tried to hide that the FBI did inform the FISA judge that it was info from a political opponent. Bashes the FBI for not being able to predict the future. Admits the Mueller investigation would be going on with Steele dossier and/or Page surveillance. Tries to act as if Steele dossier was crux of the warrant (somehow ignoring Page was previously surveilled under FISA in 2013, and that public reports were already questioning his Russia links, trips, and praise of Putin). Nunes actually had the nerve to go on Fox News tonight and say that Page should've never been a target of the FBI (even though Russia tried to recruit him as a spy in 2013). Nunes' clownshow is slightly mitigated by the hyperventilating claims by Dems that the memo was a national security risk. I question the intelligence and sanity of the Dems because this insanely partisan & totally inaccurate memo is actually a gift from above.
 
BTW, Trumpers trying to claim the below happened because black people quit their jobs en masse to make Trump look bad. MAGA world must drink nothing but lead laced water.

 
Kory said:
The Nunes Memo is pretty damning.
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Nunes has not even read the FISA application. He admitted so on Fox News.

Let me make that clear: HE NEVER READ THE APPLICATION!!!!!!

He also admitted in the memo that Papadopoulos was a major factor in granting the warrant. Nunes is an idiot.

Dems should be happy the memo was released. Their outrage at “national security” being put at risk by a piece of drivel like this should embarrass them.
 
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From the man that actually wrote the memo:

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.
 
I listened to Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation, who helped draft the Memo and who actually read the FISA application. He is not a partisan hack and I found what he had to say to be thoughtful and extremely fair. If you haven't seen his interview, don't comment. Just...don't. He said the Russian investigation would be happening without the dossier. What's happening here is Trump's bloviating and distoring the point of the memo (and a lot of other talking heads) by trying to say the investigation is a sham and this memo proves it. It does not. The point of this memo is that a paid political collection of information (the dossier) should never be used in a FISA application as evidence to spy on an American citizen (your opponent)...period. It should never have been part of the application process. For any reason. And according to Gowdy, (who read the application) he was adamant to state at no time was the judge ever told that the DNC and Hilary's campaign had paid for the dossier. A lie by ommission. This is the rub. His issue was the process the warrant was obtained/signed off on. The Russian investigation needed to have happened based on other factors. This is a separate issue. Trey Gowdy has nothing but respect for the FBI and especially the Director, but there were issues within the FISA application that was unprecendented and raised serious concern. Those concerns were addressed in the memo. To quote Gowdy, "The ends should never justify the means." He has been demonized by the left over this memo and their reaction to it has been so over the top ridiculous they should be embarrassed. But their motives for distorting the point of this memo are for entirely different reasons. Nafarious things are going here. I believe on BOTH sides.

After hearing what Trey Gowdy had to say, I don't blame him for wanting to leave office. I'd want to leave too.
 
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