Severe WX March 30th- April 1st 2023 (South, Southeast, Ohio Valley, Upper Midwest)

tornado examiner · Apr 6, 2023

Okay so the Robinson Illinois to Sullivan Indiana tornado…if they don’t upgrade it….we’ll we can still tell ourselves that it was likely a very violent tornado. Probably the strongest in Illinois since 2015…

pohnpei · Apr 6, 2023

We also have to consider that the average speed of Robinson tornado in its lifetime was 72mph. Speed could top 75mph when it was fastest. Probably among the fastest violent level tornados I have ever heard of which means the duration of winds in one certain place was especially short.

tornado examiner · Apr 6, 2023

Does anyone know of any pictures in the core damage path out of south Robinson?

pohnpei · Apr 6, 2023

It's pretty impressive that Covington TN tornado managed to pull part of transmission tower out of the ground.

tornado examiner · Apr 6, 2023

I’d argue the Robinson tornado has the most impressive radar signature of the entire outbreak. It reminded me heavily if the western Kentucky ef4 after touching down. I wonder how strong it really was…

Shakespeare 2016 · Apr 7, 2023

pohnpei said:
We also have to consider that the average speed of Robinson tornado in its lifetime was 72mph. Speed could top 75mph when it was fastest. Probably among the fastest violent level tornados I have ever heard of which means the duration of winds in one certain place was especially short.

It was also like 1/4 to 1/2 mile-wide. It was likely capable of causing EF5 tornado damage.

WhirlingWx · Apr 7, 2023

tornado examiner · Apr 7, 2023

The number of long track tornadoes from this outbreak is very high…

CheeselandSkies · Apr 8, 2023

Finally going back through pics from this whole thread...the second tornado which formed right in front of me at Keota appears to have been an exact visual clone of its predecessor at almost every stage of its life, crazy.

As for radar indicating the twins continuing all the way to Wellman/Kalona, that's a bit surprising...I don't know what was going on while I was repositioning but all I saw was one tornado rapidly rope out to my west-northwest moments after I got set up again on the northwest edge of Kalona.

Steel Central · Apr 8, 2023

Anything new with Robinson-Palestine-Sullivan?

Tanner · Apr 8, 2023

Steel Central said:
Anything new with Robinson-Palestine-Sullivan?

Negative as far as I know

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MNTornadoGuy · Apr 8, 2023

Scar from the Keota IA EF4.

TH2002 · Apr 10, 2023

This is the Robinson-Sullivan tornado as it stands on the DAT. The tornado caused damage in both NWS Lincoln and NWS Indianapolis' forecast areas. You can probably guess which WFO was responsible for what portion of the track...

Lake Martin EF4 · Apr 10, 2023

TH2002 said:
This is the Robinson-Sullivan tornado as it stands on the DAT. The tornado caused damage in both NWS Lincoln and NWS Indianapolis' forecast areas. You can probably guess which WFO was responsible for what portion of the track...
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Good job NWS Lincoln you're now on the "Oh no" list. Sounds like NWS Memphis [REDACTED] all over all its goodwill it got from 12/10, too.

TH2002 · Apr 10, 2023

Lake Martin EF4 said:
Good job NWS Lincoln you're now on the "Oh no" list. Sounds like NWS Memphis [REDACTED] all over all its goodwill it got from 12/10, too.

I'll repeat what @buckeye05 said about NWS Memphis regarding New Wren and Holly Springs because I think it fits NWS Lincoln perfectly in this situation:

"If they don’t really care, they should at least consult someone who does."

ColdFront · Apr 10, 2023

TH2002 said:
I'll repeat what @buckeye05 said about NWS Memphis regarding New Wren and Holly Springs because I think it fits NWS Lincoln perfectly in this situation:

"If they don’t really care, they should at least consult someone who does."

100%.

I don’t know if this is a situation where Mets or folks at that WFO just don’t want to do field work or don’t want to put in long days over a week, but if they’re going to be apathetic then create a division of folks that will do this full time. NWS is part of the government, they could snap their fingers and add another three letter sub-agency.

Are all the ratings finalized now? If so that above is infuriating, who the hell in the upper levels are reviewing these and being like “oh well, that’s okay”

tornado examiner · Apr 10, 2023

At least we all can acknowledge that tornado was an ef4+ tornado

Steel Central · Apr 10, 2023

When you think theres no way they could possibly deny it's rating this time...

and then they don't rate the key locations at all

TH2002 · Apr 10, 2023

ColdFront said:
100%.

I don’t know if this is a situation where Mets or folks at that WFO just don’t want to do field work or don’t want to put in long days over a week, but if they’re going to be apathetic then create a division of folks that will do this full time. NWS is part of the government, they could snap their fingers and add another three letter sub-agency.

Are all the ratings finalized now? If so that above is infuriating, who the hell in the upper levels are reviewing these and being like “oh well, that’s okay”

Yeah, I think there needs to be some sort of damage survey review process higher up in the NWS, so when these half-@ssed surveys happen they can send out a secondary survey team to further evaluate the damage, regardless of whether the local WFO's survey teams want to do their jobs or not.

NWS Lincoln did mention difficulty surveying due to roadblocks and flooding, but that still doesn't explain why they didn't survey literally any of the buildings in the immediate vicinity of the technical college. Two entire farmsteads were swept away w/ debris being wind-rowed and vehicles hurled pretty long distances, and these were NOT inaccessible to the survey teams (it sounds more like an excuse or coverup on NWS Lincoln's part than anything else tbh).

tornado examiner · Apr 10, 2023

TH2002 said:
Yeah, I think there needs to be some sort of damage survey review process higher up in the NWS, so when these half-@ssed surveys happen they can send out a secondary survey team to further evaluate the damage, regardless of whether the local WFO's survey teams want to do their jobs or not.

NWS Lincoln did mention difficulty surveying due to roadblocks and flooding, but that still doesn't explain why they didn't survey literally any of the buildings in the immediate vicinity of the technical college. Two entire farmsteads were swept away w/ debris being wind-rowed and vehicles hurled pretty long distances, and these were NOT inaccessible to the survey teams (it sounds more like an excuse or coverup on NWS Lincoln's part than anything else tbh).

So much violent damage practically ignored