lake.effect
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Right, but when you get 8 tornado warnings in a severe thunderstorm watch, you've completed failed as a meteorological agency.
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Severe WX Severe Threat 4/18-4/19
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Clancy
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That really is a huge TOR polygon, reminds me of the one FFC issued on 3/18/2013. Giving old-timey warning vibes. This is far from the first time storms have gone tornadic when not explicitly forecasted; heck, a bunch of the TORs we get around here end up being random storms in the summer or late fall that decide to go ham, which have comprised several close calls.
JPWX
Member
Heck it's gotta off topic real quick this year with the weather enthusiasts expectation for 20+ tornadoes every time they see a Moderate Risk issued. LOL!
TornadoFan17
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You do realize one of the criteria for a Severe Thunderstorm Warning is a tornado right?
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The only people that really can criticize the SPC or NWS are those that have worked or volunteered in a NWS office. (Which we have members that have.) If you haven't, and have no idea what all it entails, zip it.
Edit - and if you're wondering, yes, I have. Student volunteer at BMX July 2009. Btw, they work 12-hour shifts. Except during weather events when they stay until it's over, no matter how long they've been there.
Edit - and if you're wondering, yes, I have. Student volunteer at BMX July 2009. Btw, they work 12-hour shifts. Except during weather events when they stay until it's over, no matter how long they've been there.
Clancy
Member
The MO/IL storms are dangerous. Sitting in a local maximum of helicity and instability. There's also a lone cluster of supercells in TX, one TOR-warned.
lake.effect
Member
And...? If a tornado outbreak is expected, does the SPC issue severe thunderstorm watches? No, they issue watches that are aligned with the highest degree of risk expected. I.e., a tornado watch.
@Michelle - disagree with you here. SPC is a government agency. Our tax dollars support it. I don't need to know the inner workings of an SPC office to know if they're doing a good job or not. And in my judgment, they are not.
/end of ranting
Tempestas Tonitrua
Member
I don’t think anyone or anything should be above criticism.
I can think of instances here where the criticism for the SPC was near-universal. Such as no Tor-E by Paducah for Mayfield when it was obvious the quad state cell was going to hit it comes to mind.
I’ve also seen users criticize the SPC for being too conservative or too slow on commenting on a possible event down the line in an AFD. So it’s okay for some to rip the SPC but not others?
It just seems lately there’s a poster on here that takes everything personal. It’s the same guy that feels the need to remind everyone after every event that the SPC’s forecast verified. They also take everything personal when anyone comments on the performance of an event or has any sort of dissenting opinion and immediately get accused of being “WXTwitter”. Which is rich because that same user was calling 4/3-4/4 event last year a bust five days before it happened. Now he gets all up in arms if you say a moderate with only 10 severe reports “underperformed”
This should be a place for free discussion if all parties are being polite, not cliques and picks.
I can think of instances here where the criticism for the SPC was near-universal. Such as no Tor-E by Paducah for Mayfield when it was obvious the quad state cell was going to hit it comes to mind.
I’ve also seen users criticize the SPC for being too conservative or too slow on commenting on a possible event down the line in an AFD. So it’s okay for some to rip the SPC but not others?
It just seems lately there’s a poster on here that takes everything personal. It’s the same guy that feels the need to remind everyone after every event that the SPC’s forecast verified. They also take everything personal when anyone comments on the performance of an event or has any sort of dissenting opinion and immediately get accused of being “WXTwitter”. Which is rich because that same user was calling 4/3-4/4 event last year a bust five days before it happened. Now he gets all up in arms if you say a moderate with only 10 severe reports “underperformed”
This should be a place for free discussion if all parties are being polite, not cliques and picks.
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atrainguy
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jiharris0220
Member
You’re the only one who’s been taking jabs at me, which makes your comment about me taking things personal quite humorous.
Now let’s stick to talking about the weather yeah?
Tempestas Tonitrua
Member
That’s funny because 99% of the arguments on here involve you or are started by you.
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Thought I would start a thread for the ongoing severe threat to keep it separated from the main severe weather discussion.
jiharris0220
Member
Ignoring the fellow accusing me of starting arguments while actively trying to start an argument.
I caution people who live in the central IL area to watch out as there is still plenty of helicity for this linear system to produce spin up tornadoes.
I caution people who live in the central IL area to watch out as there is still plenty of helicity for this linear system to produce spin up tornadoes.
Clancy
Member
The storms at the north end of the IL MCS are spitting out a lot of mesos, and the slight circular motion of the storms themselves seems to be aiding it somewhat. Way above my brain cells to figure out how that works (that's why OU folks suffer through all those math courses, eh?), but it sure looks funky on velocity loop. Even without tornadoes, the winds on this line are pretty wicked, sustained by modest instability, okayish LRs ahead of the line and it seems just enough shear to cause issues. Hodographs ahead of the MCS are actually fairly curved.
jiharris0220
Member
With this surprise environment it’s quite fortunate the hrrr supercell printer solution didn’t play out.
It does have a semi discrete mode forming in Arkansas but shear is negligible at best.
It does have a semi discrete mode forming in Arkansas but shear is negligible at best.
Clancy
Member
Yeah, doubtful anything substantial gets going down there (although I've learned to never turn my back on weird storms).
The Midwest MCS sure is crankin', though. PDS SVR now.
Clancy
Member
TOR now for this cell south of KILX. Strong couplet, passing north of Decatur, IL.
Clancy
Member
Fairly certain that's a TDS.
jiharris0220
Member
It’s a shame because I try to be as none confrontational as possible and caution unsubstantiated rippings at an agency dedicated to saving lives.
But some people don’t take too kindly to that apparently, but oh well.
A moderator was kind enough to make a new thread to redirect people back to the important issue at hand though.
But some people don’t take too kindly to that apparently, but oh well.
A moderator was kind enough to make a new thread to redirect people back to the important issue at hand though.
