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I want to know the rationale of someone who supports Sanders justify this.


Supporting a candidate doesn't mean they support all their ideas and thoughts (expect maybe Matt & Trump).
That said, there's no context here so you can take it however you want. Maybe he's referring to disasters like oil spills, maybe he's talking about climate change.. either way, dumb tweet and he does a lot of them. I also wonder how much of it is him vs media spokespersons.
 

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All the defense he needs...


Are you saying all the defense that Bernie needs is Trump's tweets? You realize what Trump is saying right? He is trying to bring back jobs to the United States. Would you rather those jobs stay in China and the people those jobs would go to, stay in poverty and on the welfare systems?
 

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Can't wait until Matt comes and defends this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/tru...tart-looking-for-an-alternative-to-china.html

Trump is "ordering" private companies to do things like a tinpot dictator. Matt will respond once Mollie Hemingway, or some other disingenuous propagandist on the Trumpian right, comes up with the accepted narrative to spin this.

Option A: Obama did something one time with a private company so what's wrong with what Trump said? Liberals are hypocrites! Who cares if it takes twisted logic and a willful misreading of what actually took place? Obama + something that has just 1% in common with what Trump did = Trump is good and anything bad he does is the fault of Obama.

Option B: Claim that we're ridiculous for taking Trump literally or seriously. Even though he has a long-track record of hiding behind "it was just a joke or he's just trolling Democrats" when he actually does literally mean what he said, and it's something he takes serious enough to tweet about and hold meetings on with staff. How can you take Trump seriously, they'll say, even though 98% of the time when Trump floats some insane or downright imbecilic idea he's actually dead serious?

The DOW is now down more than 425 points. Matt will soon be here to call Trump an economic genius who intentionally triggered the upcoming recession as a "negotiating tactic." Who cares if the DOE drops to 15k? It will trigger the libs and that's all that matters.

Trump is clearly mentally ill, and none of this is a joking matter. His descent into madness rapidly accelerated over the past few weeks, and our country is helpless to do anything about it because such unhinged and fantastical behavior has become the norm under Donald Trump.
 

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Are you saying all the defense that Bernie needs is Trump's tweets? You realize what Trump is saying right? He is trying to bring back jobs to the United States. Would you rather those jobs stay in China and the people those jobs would go to, stay in poverty and on the welfare systems?

The President doesn't have the Constitutional authority to "order" American companies to comply with his latest delusional Twitter rant.

Do you realize what Trump is saying? He's saying he has "ordered" privately-held American businesses to do something simply because he decreed it. The President of the United States doesn't get to govern by decree as we're not a banana republic or a dictatorial regime. At least we're not supposed to be.

The idea that the President can dictate policy by decree to private American businesses, or that he's allowed to punish or investigate private businesses (or their leaders), is exactly the kind of abuse of power that both Bernie and Trump seem to believe is justified. And, their justification is predicated on the target being a political enemy, or that's it OK to do it because they said so. But, if the other side were to do something similar, they'd be outraged. That's why Trump's tweets (and history) is the only justification that Bernie needs.

Whenever the next Democrat becomes President, you better believe they will absolutely use Trump's actions and rhetoric as justification for any abuses of power they commit. Undoubtedly, their supporters will back them up with the same/similar logic to what Trump supporters use to defend Trump's abuses. How, then, can either side criticize the other? "It's OK when my guy does it, but it's not OK when your guy does it." Seems like that won't be a very convincing argument.
 
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The President doesn't have the Constitutional authority to "order" American companies to comply with his latest delusional Twitter rant.

Do you realize what Trump is saying? He's saying he has "ordered" privately-held American businesses to do something simply because he decreed it. The President of the United States doesn't get to govern by decree as we're not a banana republic or a dictatorial regime. At least we're not supposed to be.


Oh I like most Americans Understand he cannot order private companies to do anything of the sort. I just roll my eyes and go on. You should too.
 

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Can't wait until Matt comes and defends this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/tru...tart-looking-for-an-alternative-to-china.html

Trump is "ordering" private companies to do things like a tinpot dictator. Matt will respond once Mollie Hemingway, or some other disingenuous propagandist on the Trumpian right, comes up with the accepted narrative to spin this.

Option A: Obama did something one time with a private company so what's wrong with what Trump said? Liberals are hypocrites! Who cares if it takes twisted logic and a willful misreading of what actually took place? Obama + something that has just 1% in common with what Trump did = Trump is good and anything bad he does is the fault of Obama.

Option B: Claim that we're ridiculous for taking Trump literally or seriously. Even though he has a long-track record of hiding behind "it was just a joke or he's just trolling Democrats" when he actually does literally mean what he said, and it's something he takes serious enough to tweet about and hold meetings on with staff. How can you take Trump seriously, they'll say, even though 98% of the time when Trump floats some insane or downright imbecilic idea he's actually dead serious?

The DOW is now down more than 425 points. Matt will soon be here to call Trump an economic genius who intentionally triggered the upcoming recession as a "negotiating tactic." Who cares if the DOE drops to 15k? It will trigger the libs and that's all that matters.

Trump is clearly mentally ill, and none of this is a joking matter. His descent into madness rapidly accelerated over the past few weeks, and our country is helpless to do anything about it because such unhinged and fantastical behavior has become the norm under Donald Trump.
Actually, Trump had a great explanation for the DOW Jones plummet.

 

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For any political & history buffs, the Retro Report from The New York Times is an extremely interesting series on historical events over the past several decades including Waco, right to die & food industry. I can't recommend it more. Since this is a political thread here's an example on campaign finance:

I couldn't agree more with the late John McCain in this video.
Great quality, unbiased perspective that helps young people like me understand how big events in the past were perceived at the time. There's 70+ of them on ad free on YouTube. I've watched over 50 over the past couple years and go back to rewatch them often.
 

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OK, Barry Obama is spending 15 plus million for a house on Martha's Vineyard that will be under water in 10-12 years. Yep, it is a hoax folks!
 
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