Archive 2017-2019 Political Thread

[Arcadia]

JFK cheated on his wife repeatedly. Bill Clinton raped women. Don't even get me started. And this is just recent history. The clock didn't start ticking on lying cheating immoral presidents the minute Trump took the stage. This revisionist history ain't gonna work here. Immoral men have held office before. They will hold office again. Sadly. Should we seek to elect them knowing their background? No. I was against electing Trump from the start because I didn't think he was suitable for the office. But don't give me this crap about how immoral behavior began with Trump. That is simply false. The moral fabric of this country has been in decline long before Trump took office. Joe Biden told black voters that Mitt Romney was, and I quote, "gonna put y'all back in chains." Lies? Politics have been a nasty business forever. Long before Donald J. Trump. Maybe the others spoke and behaved more presidential when the cameras were on...but behaviors of infidelity and lying and smearing your political foes are not new. Why am I even having to say this? This "hate all things Trump" is making people lose their damn minds.

 

[gangstonc]

JFK cheated on his wife repeatedly. Bill Clinton raped women. Don't even get me started. And this is just recent history. The clock didn't start ticking on lying cheating immoral presidents the minute Trump took the stage. This revisionist history ain't gonna work here. Immoral men have held office before. They will hold office again. Sadly. Should we seek to elect them knowing their background? No. I was against electing Trump from the start because I didn't think he was suitable for the office. But don't give me this crap about how immoral behavior began with Trump. That is simply false. The moral fabric of this country has been in decline long before Trump took office. Joe Biden told black voters that Mitt Romney was, and I quote, "gonna put y'all back in chains." Lies? Politics have been a nasty business forever. Long before Donald J. Trump. Maybe the others spoke and behaved more presidential when the cameras were on...but behaviors of infidelity and lying and smearing your political foes are not new. Why am I even having to say this? This "hate all things Trump" is making people lose their damn minds.

I’m not saying it didn’t happen. It is just extreme with Trump. Especially the lying.

Trump is normalizing the bad. Remember when Clinton was impeached for lying and extramarital “fun”? It wasn’t normal then.

 

[ghost]

JFK cheated on his wife repeatedly. Bill Clinton raped women. Don't even get me started. And this is just recent history. The clock didn't start ticking on lying cheating immoral presidents the minute Trump took the stage. This revisionist history ain't gonna work here. Immoral men have held office before. They will hold office again. Sadly. Should we seek to elect them knowing their background? No. I was against electing Trump from the start because I didn't think he was suitable for the office. But don't give me this crap about how immoral behavior began with Trump. That is simply false. The moral fabric of this country has been in decline long before Trump took office. Joe Biden told black voters that Mitt Romney was, and I quote, "gonna put y'all back in chains." Lies? Politics have been a nasty business forever. Long before Donald J. Trump. Maybe the others spoke and behaved more presidential when the cameras were on...but behaviors of infidelity and lying and smearing your political foes are not new. Why am I even having to say this? This "hate all things Trump" is making people lose their damn minds.

What you said is true... but here's the rub. The evangelical Christian wing of the Republican party was always quick to point out and condemn the sins of the Dems but for some reason, the can cast aside their moral indignation when it comes to Trump and look the other way. Situational ethics at it's finest.

 

[Kory]

What you said is true... but here's the rub. The evangelical Christian wing of the Republican party was always quick to point out and condemn the sins of the Dems but for some reason, the can cast aside their moral indignation when it comes to Trump and look the other way. Situational ethics at it's finest.

That’s quite a broad net you’re casting.

 

[Kory]

I’m not saying it didn’t happen. It is just extreme with Trump. Especially the lying.

Trump is normalizing the bad. Remember when Clinton was impeached for lying and extramarital “fun”? It wasn’t normal then.

LOL keep telling yourself that.

 

[Kory]

Imagine if we had a president that wasn’t a child

Since I haven’t gotten an answer, I’m going to assume that this was the now deleted, fake, and completely made up quote by the Time magazine author about Trump insulting Joe Biden and praising Kim Jung Un.

 

[gangstonc]

LOL keep telling yourself that.

If it was so normal, why was Clinton impeached for it?

 

[gangstonc]

Since I haven’t gotten an answer, I’m going to assume that this was the now deleted, fake, and completely made up quote by the Time magazine author about Trump insulting Joe Biden and praising Kim Jung Un.

I looked it up. You are correct. I apologize.

 

[Arcadia]

What you said is true... but here's the rub. The evangelical Christian wing of the Republican party was always quick to point out and condemn the sins of the Dems but for some reason, the can cast aside their moral indignation when it comes to Trump and look the other way. Situational ethics at it's finest.

And the Dems nor the media grew a conscience until Trump took office. Situational ethics indeed. We can do this all day long. I love how we just jumped from Trump is the baddie of all politics to 'those evangelical Christians are the real hypocrites'. Yep, just throw every evangelical Christian in a pot and stir. Even though I'm not an evangelical, I am a Christian and a lot of Christians actually don't support him. I think they are referred to as 'never Trumpers, pro-lifers, Conservatives, middle of the road, Independents, etc. Put whatever hashtag you want in front of them. Those of us who aren't beholden to a political party actually have stayed true to our moral convictions and have called out immoral behavior on both sides. We don't make the 24 hour sound bites. Not shocking. I believe we have been vocal on this board though, so don't act surprised. I really hope you didn't get splattered when you decided to paint everyone with that brush of yours. And the real rub is that anytime someone proves what a complete load of crap something is the answer is to always deflect from that topic to....oh look over there...something completely unrelated. But since you brought up supporters of presidents, Clinton's supporters were steadfast. The media and their support of him was steadfast. Oh, have we forgotten? What's that saying...Every time you point a finger at someone else, three are pointing back at you.

 

[Arcadia]

If it was so normal, why was Clinton impeached for it?

He was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. And let's be clear about something.... his party had his back as well as the media and his supporters. And his approval ratings sky rocketed to 73% after his impeachment proceedings. The Republicans lost that battle. Clinton was popular and he was a rapist and an adulterer. I don't think you're proving what you think you're trying to prove. Our moral fabric has been in decline FOR YEARS. It didn't begin with Trump.

 

[Kory]

If it was so normal, why was Clinton impeached for it?

Having an affair is not illegal. Although, work place harassment of an intern can be construed as troublesome by law.

 

[gangstonc]

He was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. And let's be clear about something.... his party had his back as well as the media and his supporters. And his approval ratings sky rocketed to 73% after his impeachment proceedings. The Republicans lost that battle. Clinton was popular and he was a rapist and an adulterer. I don't think you're proving what you think you're trying to prove. Our moral fabric has been in decline FOR YEARS. It didn't begin with Trump.

But the impeachment shows it wasn't "normal". You can't seem to understand that I am saying Trump does this stuff so commonly that it's normal and expected now. It wasn't the case under Clinton.

 

[Kory]

But the impeachment shows it wasn't "normal". You can't seem to understand that I am saying Trump does this stuff so commonly that it's normal and expected now. It wasn't the case under Clinton.

This is a very bizarre argument.

 

[Jacob]

But the impeachment shows it wasn't "normal". You can't seem to understand that I am saying Trump does this stuff so commonly that it's normal and expected now. It wasn't the case under Clinton.

Except Trump hasn't done what Clinton was impeached for.

 

[gangstonc]

Except Trump hasn't done what Clinton was impeached for.

Right, because he refused to testify. He has also lied a ton, just not to the right person for it to be criminal. He messed around on his wife - with a porn star - and paid her. This is not normal and not ok. Yes, these things have always been done by politicians, but why don't his supporters care this time?

 

[Arcadia]

Right, because he refused to testify. He has also lied a ton, just not to the right person for it to be criminal. He messed around on his wife - with a porn star - and paid her. This is not normal and not ok. Yes, these things have always been done by politicians, but why don't his supporters care this time?

I guess for the same reason you keep ignoring the fact that until Trump was elected Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) seemed perfectly okay supporting people just like Donald Trump. The only difference this time is Trump carries an R in front of his name. Now all of a sudden it's a problem! No friend, it's BEEN a problem. I don't know if you are just so bogged down in your hatred for Trump that you literally can't see what I'm talking about or you are being obtuse on purpose.

 

[Matt]

Right, because he refused to testify. He has also lied a ton, just not to the right person for it to be criminal. He messed around on his wife - with a porn star - and paid her. This is not normal and not ok. Yes, these things have always been done by politicians, but why don't his supporters care this time?

I'd like to know the names and amounts paid by all members of Congress. At least Trump used his own money.

 

[gangstonc]

I'd like to know the names and amounts paid by all members of Congress. At least Trump used his own money.


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I would too. I'm tired of sickos being in power.

 

[gangstonc]

The entire thread is worth reading.

 

[Matt]

This should not be happening in our country. I was in Los Angeles last week. Stayed at a very nice hotel and within a few blocks I saw homeless encampments. Not as bad as this but bad and nasty. Elect liberals and this is what you eventually get.

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