I believe this would be one of, if not the first official usages of root balling to help justify an EF4 rating?
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Severe weather threat 4/23/26 (Central/Southern Plains)
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SweptSlab5
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Root balling was used to justify the maple creek and 2 houses EF4 area in enderlin.
Oh duh that’s right. Can’t believe I forgot about that.
Shakespeare 2016
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A bunch of Tim Marshall loving people. Subflooring, anchor bolting, and washer etc. The I know it all people on here.
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This thread from yesterday onwards:
SweptSlab5
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Aren’t those pretty important? (Understatement) I think you want your house to have a subfloor and anchor bolts, otherwise, you got a slider and you are as good as dead in a tornado.
I’d love to know the source of this gif lol.This thread from yesterday onwards:
On the subject, Yep. It’s the same people every time too. That’s really the issue. They don’t take any kind of feedback, even if it was polite or constructive. Then when called out, they lash out and resort to gaslighting the thread. Second day in a row of this.
Shakespeare 2016
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I like honesty more than a bunch of engineers who are pathological liars.
SweptSlab5
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Bro what are you on. I don’t think the engineers doing tornado surveys are pathological liars.
Shakespeare 2016
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Laugh all you want but it is obvious a lot of these wind engineers are incahoots with insurance companies.
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I’m constantly checking for any survey updates for Enid. There may not be any more updates tonight but we got a few today regardless. Hope we get the final results within a week. The anticipation is building.
What rating would you give Enid? Genuinely asking, it definitely was the most “Oklahoma” tornado we’ve had in a very long time.
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I feel so sorry for you right now lol
I don't know how you went from being confidently wrong and ridiculed all the time, to now being the one guy trying to restore a sense of normalcy to a thread that's gone off the rails...
Times do change lmao
SweptSlab5
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You are a conspiracy theorist. It doesn’t matter if your house is destroyed by an ef3 or an ef5, it’s still destroyed and is a payout nonetheless. It’s considered an act of god and thus is a payout. You need to chill out.
Unrelated: tornado examiner had one of the biggest comebacks in talk weather history.
tornado examiner
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(How the turns have tabled once again Xd.) happens to all of us.
Yeah but no seriously can the rest of y’all at least try to make this thread pleasant again? it’s really not that hard.
We’re close to a major survey update and this whole thread is uglier than sewer water.
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Attempting to steer this gasoline fueled dumpster fire back on track....
I fully believe that @tornado examiner is correct here in the fact that we are very close to a major survey update. What the final windspeed will be is anyone's guess but IMO it will likely be a high end EF-4. 190-200 if I had to guess.
However, they could get it up to 201 if they go all in on 701 Ridgeway Drive and the RV (I severely doubt 170 will be the final rating for that home. That home was pretty above standard due to having up-to-code anchor bolts and cut/straight nail construction combined according to @Central Ohio Wx )
I fully believe that @tornado examiner is correct here in the fact that we are very close to a major survey update. What the final windspeed will be is anyone's guess but IMO it will likely be a high end EF-4. 190-200 if I had to guess.
However, they could get it up to 201 if they go all in on 701 Ridgeway Drive and the RV (I severely doubt 170 will be the final rating for that home. That home was pretty above standard due to having up-to-code anchor bolts and cut/straight nail construction combined according to @Central Ohio Wx )
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Minor correction, but it's actually "the tables have turned"...
Sewer water is a good start to describe what's happened here, but I would have been more descriptive myself. Too bad I don't want to push this thread even deeper into the biggest pile of hazardous waste at CWM Emelle.
Anyhow, as others have already said, I see an upgrade to EF5 as very unlikely. Statistically, is there a non-zero chance that will happen? Sure, I guess. Are the surveyors, much, much more likely to go with a windspeed in the 190-195MPH range? Almost certainly.
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Reversing that phrase gives it a funnier emphasis, Xd.Minor correction, but it's actually "the tables have turned"...
Sewer water is a good start to describe what's happened here, but I would have been more descriptive myself. Too bad I don't want to push this thread even deeper into the biggest pile of hazardous waste at CWM Emelle.
Anyhow, as others have already said, I see an upgrade to EF5 as very unlikely. Statistically, is there a non-zero chance that will happen? Sure, I guess. Are the surveyors, much, much more likely to go with a windspeed in the 190-195MPH range? Almost certainly.
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I’m going full on prediction mode here - realistically they do likely upgrade it to 190 MPH. But, with the context of Enderlin’s shocking upgrade, I do think there is a chance that they go EF5, I’m going to be ballsy and say they do just upgrade it to 200+. Their tone is giving me “we will find a reason to do so” vibes. It may take a second, but it could definitely happen. NWS Grand Forks set a precedent of one-off, uniquely violent tornadoes with extreme contextual evidence warranting an EF5 rating. NWS Norman seems like a WFO that isn’t going to cut corners, either.
That’s a gutsy prediction. I really do think Enid reached EF5 intensity, but I just don’t know how they would justify such an upgrade, and I especially don’t know how they will get the ok from higher-ups within the NWS (which is gonna be the biggest hurdle to clear in my opinion). The Enderlin upgrade involved all kinds of red tape and bureaucracy, and only got the thumbs up thanks to undeniable physics-based calculations. So calling Enderlin a “context based” upgrade isn’t accurate in my opinion; I would call it a “calculation based” upgrade. I’d definitely classify it as a separate thing.
So with all of that said, how do you think they will justify Enid? Lofted RVs? The slabbed metal building? Tree/vegitation damage and scouring? Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely do like your optimism but I just don’t know how they’re going to pull it off. Now if the Enid tornado had lofted a massive multi-ton oil tank or something to that effect, I’d be singing a different tune.
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