ARCC
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He will be, unless he dies of old age that is.
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He will be, unless he dies of old age that is.
Kory
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This impeachment talk (whether it is warranted or not) is akin to pie in the sky. Much like when the left was deluding themselves into thinking the electoral voters were going to vote for Hillary over Donald in the states he won. It's truly silly.
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gangstonc
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It’s not that silly. It’s not likely, but it’s not out of the question. If The NY Times article that came out today is even half true, then trump obstructed Justice very badly.
ARCC
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The NYT is regarded by most conservatives as anti Trump enough to call for his impeachment for littering should a gum wrapper fly out his limo window. Even if they have truth behind them, only the liberal side would batt an eyelid over their articles.
The truth is the average person in the US doesn't give a hoot about collusion or if Trump committed obstruction nor do they care about Stormy Daniels. Should the economy continue to improve or at least improve in public perception, they will care even less about those things.
The best odds democrats have is to win the house and obstruct GOP policy and hope for a stiff recession or massive inflation to get public opinion back in their favor. Then put up someone to beat him in 2020. Unless the Democrats are just idiots, to go after impeachment of a sitting President in a good economy over what is being investigated right now would be political suicide. Which would actually be funny to see. The GOP has realized this and has fell in line.
They need to hope something massive breaks much more than what is alleged to get the public even close to being OK with impeachment.
gangstonc
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What’s your opinion of massive? To me, this administration is selling the country to the highest bidder.
I think most conservatives are more like me. They generally believe the MSM, but understand they are error prone. I don’t think Trump fits my brand of conservatism at all.
Ive never seen a more lying, corrupt administration. Why doesn’t the nation care? He’s overflowing the swamp.
See: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivanka...r-questions-on-chinese-trademarks-2018-05-29/
How does anybody explain the ZTE bailout? Helping a foreign, sanctioned company? Ridiculous.
I think most conservatives are more like me. They generally believe the MSM, but understand they are error prone. I don’t think Trump fits my brand of conservatism at all.
Ive never seen a more lying, corrupt administration. Why doesn’t the nation care? He’s overflowing the swamp.
See: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivanka...r-questions-on-chinese-trademarks-2018-05-29/
How does anybody explain the ZTE bailout? Helping a foreign, sanctioned company? Ridiculous.
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ARCC
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As is some sort of voter fraud such as hard proof the election was hacked and votes were changed. Even then knowing our nation it still probably wouldn't change anything. I can forsee massive mayhem if he is impeached even if for a real reason. As I said about the NYT, the Democrats would impeach Trump for wearing two different socks if they could. Americans are proud of their vote, right or wrong, and if the trample that vote with impeachment, anger will erupt.
BTW, Trump doesn't fit my brand of conservatism either. Going beyond Trump, the GOP is full of spineless, hypocritical idiots. That said, the truth is the truth about Trump and his position.
gangstonc
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I understand Americans are proud of their vote, but let’s not forget more voted for a known criminal in Hillary rather than just a potential crook in Trump. If Mueller does a good enough job explaining the evidence, people won’t flip out too much, except for the far right base. This case may be too complex for the average American though.
I think both parties need some fresh faces. Nobody likes Pelosi and the other old top dogs in the D party. The old R guys that are retiring may be helping the party immensely. Fresh faces who understand govt are what the nation needs.
ARCC
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The Mueller case is far too drawn out and as Kory's link above demostrates is viewed as political.
But this article explains why I believe Trump isn't going anywhere.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...29/why-trump-may-be-hard-to-beat-in-2020/amp/
Not to mention that poll has a +5 democrat lean, which means Trump's handling of the economy is likely even higher than the poll suggests.
People will vote with their wallet in the end and there will be issues if people see that possibility taking a hit due to impeachment.
gangstonc
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I hate that people see the Mueller work as drawn out. People seem to forget how long investigations take. I guess it is a sign of the times.
I see where you are coming from. What do you think are the chances he is impeached? I’d say 15-20%.
I see where you are coming from. What do you think are the chances he is impeached? I’d say 15-20%.
Kory
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Really the only thing unifying the Democratic Party is their hatred for Trump. They have no agenda that will propel them to a 2018 midterm “blue wave.” That doesn’t spell anything positive for the Trump impeachment cause.
Kory
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See the tweet about immigrant children locked in cages, supposedly by Trump’s immigration policies, shared by NYT journalists, CNN and NBC anchors, and many more on the left-leaning media. Come to find out, it was a picture of a holding cell under Obama in 2014. That isn't a "mistake" or honest to God "error". That was flat out propaganda. We've had NUMEROUS examples of situations like that in the past month.
My trust of media is lower than whale crap. I have a general mistrust of institutions who portray themselves as non-biased but in fact are agenda driven.
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ARCC
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Somewhere between 1-3%, about the same as Clinton going to jail.
ARCC
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I'm anoyed how she became a supposed "champion of the right" just because her show had positive comments about Trump. Did everyone forget what she did the last time to get kicked out of public view? My my how easily we forget.
Kory
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Kory
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In other news, SCOTUS dealt a huge blow to Planned Parenthood after denying a challenge to Arkansas law banning drug-induced abortions. Maybe this is a blueprint for other states to follow suit. Huge win for the Pro-Life movement.
maroonedinhsv
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Did you know that whale poop floats?
Evan
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Trump's pardon of Dinesh D'Souza is the final exclamation point on the overwhelming amount of evidence that Trump and his admin care nothing for the rule of law. Arpaio was bad enough, but Trump just pardoned someone who freely admitted their guilt in court. It sends a clear signal to Manfort, Cohen, and others that they will be pardoned for any crimes they may have committed as long as they continue to support Trump.
While Trump's power to pardon is largely unreviewable by the courts, Congress should make it clear that any attempt by Trump to commute or pardon associates connected to the Mueller probe (or any other federal jurisdiction investigating individuals with ties to Trump/his campaign) will be met with immediate impeachment. This is exactly what James Madison and George Mason worried about as they debated the limits of Presidential power. Their conclusion was that impeachment was the tool to use to remove a President from office that pardoned his own associates from criminal wrongdoing.
The pardons of D'Souza and Arpaio are arguably an abuse of Presidential power and a defiance of the rule of law (also impeachable offenses according to the Founders that debated the issue). However, I would say that those actions alone do not fully rise to meet the standards necessary for impeachment. Taken together with other actions by Trump, the standard has probably been met, but would be politically untenable at this time absent additional evidence. But, as mentioned, the moment Trump pardons, or attempts to pardon, any close associate of his the burden of proof has been met and he should be impeached.
The Founders were rightly worried about the Presidency descending into a new age Monarchy, and their warnings should not be ignored. If you care about the rule of law you should care about Trump's pardons of Arpaio and D'Souza. All the SCOTUS justices in the world are not worth the corruption of the office of the Presidency, nor are they worth the clear defiance of the law. For those that question this, remember that Trump will not be President forever. Democrats will eventually take back the Presidency, and will seek to use the same power to enact their own priorities and policies. And that's just a best case scenario. Imagine an America 15-20 years from now in which an avowed Socialist or worse gains the Presidency. Trump is setting an awful precedence, and if you care about our country you should be outraged.
While Trump's power to pardon is largely unreviewable by the courts, Congress should make it clear that any attempt by Trump to commute or pardon associates connected to the Mueller probe (or any other federal jurisdiction investigating individuals with ties to Trump/his campaign) will be met with immediate impeachment. This is exactly what James Madison and George Mason worried about as they debated the limits of Presidential power. Their conclusion was that impeachment was the tool to use to remove a President from office that pardoned his own associates from criminal wrongdoing.
The pardons of D'Souza and Arpaio are arguably an abuse of Presidential power and a defiance of the rule of law (also impeachable offenses according to the Founders that debated the issue). However, I would say that those actions alone do not fully rise to meet the standards necessary for impeachment. Taken together with other actions by Trump, the standard has probably been met, but would be politically untenable at this time absent additional evidence. But, as mentioned, the moment Trump pardons, or attempts to pardon, any close associate of his the burden of proof has been met and he should be impeached.
The Founders were rightly worried about the Presidency descending into a new age Monarchy, and their warnings should not be ignored. If you care about the rule of law you should care about Trump's pardons of Arpaio and D'Souza. All the SCOTUS justices in the world are not worth the corruption of the office of the Presidency, nor are they worth the clear defiance of the law. For those that question this, remember that Trump will not be President forever. Democrats will eventually take back the Presidency, and will seek to use the same power to enact their own priorities and policies. And that's just a best case scenario. Imagine an America 15-20 years from now in which an avowed Socialist or worse gains the Presidency. Trump is setting an awful precedence, and if you care about our country you should be outraged.
Evan
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Evan, you are unhinged and your hatred of all things Trump is having a negative effect on you. I hope you get better. I really do.
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