Archive 2017-2019 Political Thread

[Kory]

Highly flawed? Comey is disgraceful and is certainly no paragon of virtue. He is a political hack. Comey should have been fired on day one of Trump's presidency. That is where Trump screwed up. I said it then. I'm saying it now. But let's be clear, Comey had no business keeping his job and had Hillary won, she would have fired him too, though for different reasons. However, I find it exordinarily eye opening the things people will excuse or flat out ignore because their hate for Trump trumps everything else.

This x1000000. They are as bad as his blind supporters and it is getting so very old.

It's funny to watch people of certain political leanings contort this man, who they absolutely shredded when he re-opened the email investigation, into some kind of hero. Yes, someone who is compromised at their job, both in integrity and credibility, is 100% fit to publically chastize Trump. It is like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Arcadia]

What did he do that is disgraceful? I think he handled some things incorrectly, but not in a manner that makes him evil. Is he a political hack? yes.

I didn't say he was evil. I said he was disgraceful. The two are not synonymous. And he didn't just handle things incorrectly. That implies innocently making mistakes. Everything Comey did was calculated. Or he's at least making the case now that he was being calculating. Aside from the fact that he behaved as a political tool, rather than the unbiased head of the highest law enforcement agency of the land, he leaked classified information as his final act. The man is a disgrace and so is his stupid book.

 

[Arcadia]

This x1000000. They are as bad as his blind supporters and it is getting so very old.

It's funny to watch people of certain political leanings contort this man, who they absolutely shredded when he re-opened the email investigation, into some kind of hero. Yes, someone who is compromised at their job, both in integrity and credibility, is 100% fit to publically chastize Trump. It is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Indeed.

 

[gangstonc]

I didn't say he was evil. I said he was disgraceful. The two are not synonymous. And he didn't just handle things incorrectly. That implies innocently making mistakes. Everything Comey did was calculated. Or he's at least making the case now that he was being calculating. Aside from the fact that he behaved as a political tool, rather than the unbiased head of the highest law enforcement agency of the land, he leaked classified information as his final act. The man is a disgrace and so is his stupid book.

I fail to see how he leaked classified info.

I think he handled some things incorrectly.

 

[ghost]

U.S. deficits for Feb and March 2018 have been $215B and $209B

 

[Kory]

U.S. deficits for Feb and March 2018 have been $215B and $209B

Yep. "Republicans" are accelerating us to complete financial bankruptcy.

 

[Kory]

It is also great to see leftists absolutely devouring their own in the Starbucks boycott. Getting arrested while waiting for a friend to arrive before ordering is absolutely ridiculous. I haven't had Starbucks nasty, burnt, sorry excuse for coffee in years, so I guess I started the boycott early.

 

[Arcadia]

I fail to see how he leaked classified info.

I think he handled some things incorrectly.

Senate Intelligence Committee: June 2017. Comey told the committee that he had given memos he had written while serving as FBI director to his friend, a law professor at Columbia University, so he could leak it to the media for the express purpose of creating a special prosecutor for the Russia allegations. The FBI made it clear that the memos were governement property and that it is a violation of FBI policy for agents to release any information that is classified or involves an ongoing investigation, as explained in the agreement signed by all FBI agents

1. Unauthorized disclosure, misuse, or negligent handling of information contained in the files, electronic or paper, of the FBI or which I may acquire as an employee of the FBI could impair national security, place human life in jeopardy, result in the denial of due process, prevent the FBI from effectively discharging its responsibilities, or violate federal law. I understand that by being granted access to such information, I am accepting a position of special trust and am obligated to protect such information from unauthorized disclosure.

2. All information acquired by me in connection with my official duties with the FBI and all official material to which I have access remain the property of the United States of America. I will surrender upon demand by the FBI, or upon my separation from the FBI, all materials containing FBI information in my possession.

Comey was the head of this agency. He doesn't get to claim ignorance. Moreover, as reported by The Hill, four of the memos had markings making clear they contained information at the secret or confidential level. I'm not nailing jello to the wall here. I'm not throwing things out there to see what will stick. These are the facts. Just looking the other way doesn't change them. What Comey did has nothing to do with Trump. He is responsible for his own actions, but people can't seem to untangle their hatred for the president and look at Comey separate from Trump. They see he went after Trump in his book, that he's going after him in his interviews, and they are cheering him on. It's as simple as that. And it's sad. Because people don't really care about decency and holding yourself to a higher standard. That only applies to your political opponents. If the guy on your team is being a disgrace, well, no one really cares so long the end justifies the means.

Fake news? How about fake moral outrage by everyone on the political spectrum.

 

[gangstonc]

The memos he wrote were not classified and were specifically written to not be classified.

 

[Arcadia]

The memos he wrote were not classified and were specifically written to not be classified.

Why are you responding to me if you aren't going to read what I write? Truly? I'm not going to repeat myself. You can go back and read what I said. Or don't. I don't care at this point.

 

[gangstonc]

Why are you responding to me if you aren't going to read what I write? Truly? I'm not going to repeat myself. You can go back and read what I said. Or don't. I don't care at this point.

I will try to make it more simple for you. Comey leaked one memo. It did not contain classified info. If (and that is a big if) any other memos contained classified info, they were not leaked. Comey claims his memos weren't classified. He can write all the classified memos he wants. That's not a crime, illegal, a dereliction of duty, etc.

Fox News issued a correction to their story in which they walked back their claims that Comey leaked classified info.

 

[Kory]

I will try to make it more simple for you. Comey leaked one memo. It did not contain classified info. If (and that is a big if) any other memos contained classified info, they were not leaked. Comey claims his memos weren't classified. He can write all the classified memos he wants. That's not a crime, illegal, a dereliction of duty, etc.

Fox News issued a correction to their story in which they walked back their claims that Comey leaked classified info.

But when the seven memos Comey wrote regarding his nine conversations with Trump about Russia earlier this year were shown to Congress in recent days, the FBI claimed all were, in fact, deemed to be government documents.

While the Comey memos have been previously reported, this is the first time there has been a number connected to the amount of memos the ex-FBI chief wrote.

Four of the memos had markings making clear they contained information classified at the secret or confidential level, according to officials directly familiar with the matter.

I'm reading 4 memos had classified info. He then leaked one memo that was then turned over to Robert Mueller ACTIVELY investigating the Russia interference.

FBI policy forbids any agent from releasing classified information or any information from ongoing investigations or sensitive operations without prior written permission, and it mandates that all records created during official duties are considered to be government property.

Comey indicated in his testimony that the memos were in his possession when he left the bureau, leaving him in a position to leak one of them through his friend to the media. But he testified that he has since turned them over to Robert Mueller, a former FBI chief who is now spearheading the investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the presidential race.

It seems he directly violated FBI policy.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-on-trump-conversations-contained-classified

 

[gangstonc]

I'm reading 4 memos had classified info. He then leaked one memo that was then turned over to Robert Mueller ACTIVELY investigating the Russia interference.




It seems he directly violated FBI policy.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...s-on-trump-conversations-contained-classified

7 memos total. 4 had classified info. The 'leaked' one contained no classified info.

I'm glad we can at least all agree that he didn't leak classified info.

My understanding is Comey was a private citizen when he shared the memo, so why does he have to follow FBI policy?: http://www.businessinsider.com/were-comey-leaks-legal-mem

 

[Arcadia]

I will try to make it more simple for you. Comey leaked one memo. It did not contain classified info. If (and that is a big if) any other memos contained classified info, they were not leaked. Comey claims his memos weren't classified. He can write all the classified memos he wants. That's not a crime, illegal, a dereliction of duty, etc.

Fox News issued a correction to their story in which they walked back their claims that Comey leaked classified info.

Oh, you've been extremely simple. No worries there.

As for my news sources... I get my news from the Daily Wire, The Hill, and a host of other online publications. I listen to the BBC, CNN, Outnumbered on Fox, and NPR as well local news stations. Appreciate the snark, though.

I had a long post where I was trying to explain things in great detail and then I said, screw it, because you're not interested. So I'll just leave this here.


All information acquired in connection with official duties with the FBI and all official material to which an employee has access remain the property of the United States of America and that an agent will not reveal, by any means, any information or material from or related to FBI files or any other information acquired by virtue of their official employment to any unauthorized recipient without prior official written authorization by the FBI.

Since the FBI declared Comey's memos to be government property he doesn't get to claim ownership of them and he doesn't get to disperse said memos since they do not belong to him. The end.

 

[Kory]

This is bad when someone is defending leaking memos that are apart of an active investigation. We get it. You hate Trump.

 

[gangstonc]

This is bad when someone is defending leaking memos that are apart of an active investigation. We get it. You hate Trump.

If the memo had not been leaked, there would likely be no special counsel. I get it, you hate Comey. I'm not a fan, but I haven't seen any evidence he is a criminal.

I hate Trump. Comey had to protect himself from him.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/337202-comey-followed-careful-plan-in-leaking-memos

 

[Kory]

7 memos total. 4 had classified info. The 'leaked' one contained no classified info.

I'm glad we can at least all agree that he didn't leak classified info.

My understanding is Comey was a private citizen when he shared the memo, so why does he have to follow FBI policy?: http://www.businessinsider.com/were-comey-leaks-legal-mem

Comey is still subject to FBI mandates even after firing. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[Kory]

If the memo had not been leaked, there would likely be no special counsel. I get it, you hate Comey. I'm not a fan, but I haven't seen any evidence he is a criminal.

I hate Trump. Comey had to protect himself from him.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/337202-comey-followed-careful-plan-in-leaking-memos

Who said he was criminal?

 

[gangstonc]

Comey is still subject to FBI mandates even after firing. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The courts have overruled that. The cases of John Vincent and Robert Wright show us the first amendment trumps even open investigations. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[gangstonc]

Who said he was criminal?

Excuse me, disgraceful.