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A TIME FOR TRUTH

MARK LEVIN·TUESDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2018
1. A sitting president CANNOT be indicted. That’s official DOJ policy since 1973. Neither the Special Counsel nor the SDNY nor Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein can defy that 45-year-old policy.
2. SDNY is NOT expert in campaign finance violations and neither is the Clinton appointed district judge. They rarely handle campaign finance cases. The left-wing media and politicians are regurgitating what the prosecutors have merely filed in their own self-serving brief. The media and others intentionally refuse to look at the actual rules and context. They refuse to even question what these prosecutors have thrown together.
3. The actual campaign rules and context do NOT include Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) or infinite other contracts, payments, arrangements, acts of a private nature, etc. as campaign contributions. This is normal human behavior and was never intended to be regulated or reported. SDNY is dead wrong. And these private payments can be made in any manner or any amount. Again, they’re private payments involving private matters. To underscore, there’s no reporting requirement because they’re not campaign payments made with or without campaign funds.
4. SDNY inclusion of these charges in the Cohen plea deal was a sleazy political and PR attack against the president by an office coordinating with Mueller and aligned with Comey. SDNY knew Cohen would plead. It therefore knew its absurd allegations would not be tested in any courtroom — district, circuit or Supreme Court. If they were tested, SDNY would be hammered like a nail. But it knew the left-wing media and politicians would use the mere over-the-top allegations from its office, with absolutely nothing more, to claim the president committed campaign felonies. No due process. No assumption of innocence. They knew they couldn’t charge a sitting president. Thus, they convict the president in the press, not only an extreme act of professional misconduct but a violation of the very purpose of the DOJ memos banning the indictment of a sitting president while effectively indicting him in the court of public opinion, and watch as untold numbers of media personalities and former members of the SDNY, among others, use this dirty work to predict or demand the president’s indictment and/or impeachment.
5. As for impeachment, NDAs involving wholly private matters occurring before the president was even a candidate and completely unrelated to his office cannot legitimately trigger the constitution’s impeachment clause. Indeed, they could not be more irrelevant. The history of the clause and its “high crimes and misdemeanors” language make it crystal clear that the office and the president’s duties are not affected in any conceivable way by these earlier private contracts. Of course, Jerrold Nadler, another NYC radical, could not care less. He’s more than thrilled to be an executioner in this French Revolution redux. The Constitution be damned. Meanwhile, he and the others wave around the Constitution as if they’re defending it against a tyrant. It is they who are the tyrants.
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Pure drivel. Shouldn't even address it since 75% of it contains clear factual errors, strawman arguments, or ridiculous assumptions, but for the sake of argument I'll do so.

First off, Levin shows a complete and total lack of familiarity with the DOJ, USAOs, and campaign finance law. Not surprising...as his job these days is to sell pseudo-intellectual arguments to Boomers who don't know any better and look to talk radio for answers.

Every single bit of Levin's rant has been contradicted by documents previously released, and today's docs provide the cincher.

Specifically, the DOJ unveiled the non-prosecution agreement with AMI. In that document, they admit to every single claim that Cohen made about Trump, clearly state it was done to influence the election, admit they knew what they were doing wasn't legal and had a corrupt purpose, etc.

AMI admits to the whole scheme
 
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Pure drivel. Shouldn't even address it since 75% of it contains clear factual errors, strawman arguments, or ridiculous assumptions, but for the sake of argument I'll do so.

First off, Levin shows a complete and total lack of familiarity with the DOJ, USAOs, and campaign finance law. Not surprising...as his job these days is to sell pseudo-intellectual arguments to Boomers who don't know any better and look to talk radio for answers.

Every single bit of Levin's rant has been contradicted by documents previously released, and today's docs provide the cincher.

Specifically, the DOJ unveiled the non-prosecution agreement with AMI. In that document, they admit to every single claim that Cohen made about Trump, clearly state it was done to influence the election, admit they knew what they were doing wasn't legal and had a corrupt purpose, etc.

AMI admits to the whole scheme
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Where did you get your law degree from Evan ?
 
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Where did you get your law degree from Evan ?
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Who are you trying to convince with these responses? Evan has frequently provided evidence and sources for his opinions but the most I've seen from you as a counter argument are brief one or two liners and/or a biased news article (which contains little to no convincing source for its statements).
You don't have to be a super conservative or a delusional liberal to see the disparity here...
 
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Who are you trying to convince with these responses? Evan has frequently provided evidence and sources for his opinions but the most I've seen from you as a counter argument are brief one or two liners and/or a biased news article (which contains little to no convincing source for its statements).
You don't have to be a super conservative or a delusional liberal to see the disparity here...
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That wasn’t a biased news article. It was an opinion piece.
 
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KoD said:
Who are you trying to convince with these responses? Evan has frequently provided evidence and sources for his opinions but the most I've seen from you as a counter argument are brief one or two liners and/or a biased news article (which contains little to no convincing source for its statements).
You don't have to be a super conservative or a delusional liberal to see the disparity here...
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Are you saying Evan did not graduate from a top tier law school ? Geez, could have fooled me with all the expert legal analysis I see from him.
 
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Butina's plea deal says she successfully penetrated the NRA and laid the groundwork for establishing a backchannel to the Kremlin for the Trump admin. I have been saying for a long time the NRA only cares about corporations and $$$, not the American gun owner.

In other news, Matt is concerned about Hillary's emails.
 
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Where did you get your law degree from Evan ?
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1. Who cares?
2.Cohen's attorneys thought the SDNY was good enough and had enough evidence to have their client plead guilty.
3. Federal prosecutors disagreed with Levin and believed those payments were illegal. So did Cohen's attorneys. So did the judge that accepted the plea.
4. Partisan and stupid.
5.None of us have enough evidence to decide if impeachment is warranted at this point. There is just a lot of smoke and probability that Trump MAY have committed felonies.

As of now, Trump's main defense (and Matt's main defense for trump) is to say his personal lawyer did all of these really illegal things (for Trump's benefit) entirely on his own initiative. He also pleaded guilty to crimes that aren't really crimes (and that he didn't do) purely to embarrass Trump.
 
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Butina's plea deal says she successfully penetrated the NRA and laid the groundwork for establishing a backchannel to the Kremlin for the Trump admin. I have been saying for a long time the NRA only cares about corporations and $$$, not the American gun owner.

In other news, Matt is concerned about Hillary's emails.
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You should be concerned too as I am sure Russia, China, Iran and others have them.
 
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Looks as if Mueller had Strozk and Pages phones scrubbed clean and reset to factory settings. And we are supposed to accept the findings of this crooked asswipe!
 
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Kory said:
The NRA can languish for all I care after they supported a bump stock ban. Probably will let my membership expire after 2019.
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I have a lot of guns but I had no idea what a bump stock was. What is the purpose(serious question)?
 
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